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‎Feb 23, 2020
05:47 AM
I have the same problem lately, but unlike everyone else seemingly on this forum, I'm trying to read books on my smartphone, not a desktop computer. iOS 13.3.1.... Adobe Digital Editions 4.5.11 i supposed that I should be happy thT I can at least MANUALLY direct my iPhone to open the .acsm in the app, given how severe some people's issues with this godawful software is (pages won't turn, app won't open, endless authorization blesses etc etc)...but it's still a pain, when I used to be able to just download the PDF from the library and it would (wow!!) automatically open itself IN Adobe Digital Editions... it's a bunch of extra steps now to get that to happen. is there anyone who uses an iPhone on here...?
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‎Oct 30, 2017
12:30 PM
> File > Import > File will import any supported file format into FrameMaker—Word, Excel, Photoshop, Illustrator > and so many more. Try this: create a new portrait document and import one of your complex Word files. > The tables, figures and equations will all be there. It is by far the fastest way to work. You can also use > File > Open on a Word document, which converts it to a FrameMaker file. I didn't mention this before, but you might've guessed it anyway, based on the fact that I did disclose that we have a large list of Framemaker styles we apply to the pasted-in Word documents: these styles reside in a Framemaker template that contains various Master pages, and Reference pages. In other words, I can't just start with a blank Portrait-oriented document; because of all the formatting and information in the template we use. The first several pages are the cover, and then front matter that (I think) is a Master page that can't be changed without going INTO that Master page (most of these pages are numbered with lower-case roman)...then, finally, we have page one, and then the left and right pages 2 and 3, which of course are the ones that will repeat and which make up the bulk of almost all of our reports. I'm just not sure how I can do a "File>Open" on a Word doc when I'm in a semi-intricate Frame template like this one, or do a File>Import either for that matter. I tried both, and wound up with a 4,700 some page document (the Word document pulled in is only 32 pages long). Many/most of the resulting Framemaker pages had only one letter per page within the text column -- but these all also had strange lettering outside the text column, which I've never even seen before, and other oddities. It was such a huge mess of gobblety gook that I'm either doing something very wrong even with this seemingly simple task, or you're working on an incorrect assumption about our workflow....I'm just not sure. I thought sure that the extreme longness of the resulting document was due to something about pulling it into one of our templates vs. pulling it into a brand new, blank Framemaker document, but that's not it, either, because I even tried it your way, and got the same 4,700 page mess! Weird. Cleaning this resulting Framemaker document up cannot possibly be faster work than the way we're already doing it by copy/pasting, so I'm going to assume this not the result you assumed I would get... I was getting a message about having "unresolved cross-references". Then, trying it again, I noticed an option at the bottom of the "Import" box that I hadn't noticed before: a choice you have to make of either "import by reference" or "copy in to document"....."import by reference" was the one that was already checked, so I figured I'd try the OTHER choice.....and I got the same "unresolved cross-references" message...when I hit "OK" for that one, I got a 2nd warning-type message: "Loss of data may occur while importing a Docx file. To avoid data loss, cancel and convert the file format to Doc or RTF before importing." I don't want to lose data, but I was curious to see what would result if I hit "OK" to that one, too, and did, and got a THIRD box popping up, a "Word Import" dialog box....telling me that "no match styles names found. All styles will be added to the document catalogs." Anyway, hitting "OK for that one got me another 4,700+ page document of gibberish. Pretty much all Word documents we work with are in docx format....and as far as loss goes, I always thought that converting those to "doc" or "rtf" definitely would give data loss.....so not sure if that is an option for us... This was alll thru starting with a brand-new, blank Framemaker page. I can't imagine starting with our template would've made things easier, but probably harder and even more complicated. It seems like no matter how many ways I try to get these Word documents into Framemaker, it's a mess for us, which could be why whoever it was (before I came into the job) who instituted the copy/paste method we do use, and set up the styles, and Framemaker template, did it that way....because when we paste the Word text into Frame, it's almost always nearly ready as-is....and then a quick application of those awesome Frameker style sheets, and it's perfect. We manually place the figure and table anchors, as close to the callouts as we can get them, within reason.....and figures do go pretty quickly. The ONLY thing that doesn't is the tables, and the only part of that that's slow-going,honestly, is the cell-by-cell pasting....hence why I asked about automation in the first place. Anyhow, I'd love to find out there's some one thing being done that's causing the big mess I'm getting trying it this way, but something tells me that's not the case (could be the pessimist in me....!)...
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‎Oct 30, 2017
08:41 AM
Hi again (and thanks so much for you help, btw!) You wrote, "I can import all of those into FrameMaker via File > Import > File as editable tables with their table anchors so that they move with the text edits," and then went on to list, in more detail, the steps you take once the Word table is within the Frame document. I could use more step-by-step detail about how to do that initial step of getting the table into Framemaker...the actual importing part. You say you use "Import File" in the File menu....but what is the file you're importing? The only thing I've ever used Import File for was for graphics, like a .png file, for instance. The tables I and my fellow editor have been recreating in Framemaker are already within longer technical report-style documents; 20-50 pages and often longer, usually with multiple tables and figures. You wrote that "some of my authors provide them within the Word documents" and that you can use "File Import" to bring those in as a file --- how? Because that is exactly the way I have them: several tables within one Word document. I can't imagine a way one could use "File Import" on a long Word document that has a lot of text, tables, figures, equations and all, so I'm guessing a step you didn't mention is that when authors don't give you a separate file for each separate table, you must make a separate file for each separate table...is that right? If so, how do you do that? Copy/paste into blank Word doc, and name it "table 1" or something and then "File Import" ? (One thing I didn't realize til I just recently giving it a try, was that our Word tables actually copy/paste directly into Framemkaer seemingly pretty well, just pasted out in in a text column, as opposed to using the "Insert Table" dialog box and trying to paste it into one of those frames. I clicked on that tiny box with the crossed arrows that sits at the upper left corner of the table, thereby selecting the entire table, and then copy/pasted it into the Frame document. I assumed it would pull in as raw text, with no table cells, , etc, but it pulls in looking exactly as it did in Word, and is editable as well. The thing is, it's not anchored as it would be via Insert Table, so that method won't work. Also, I got rid of some of the Word formatting easily enough (the cell ruling disappeared immediatly using the "Custom Shading and Ruling" palette), and the Framemaker styles immediately formatted a large part of the table exactly the way I wanted it....I also had no trouble at all with making body rows into heading rows, something it sounded like from both of you is usually time-consuming -- I didn't have to do any of this: Select the top rows, cut them and paste back as heading rows They already seemed to be heading rows, and so all I had to do was to highlight them, and apply our "Table Header Row" style,so the font came in correctly -- it was perfect. But all was not perfect -- the footnote cell was not right....the text was overlapping the cell border in a spot. This is one of the good things about building the table yourself thru Insert Table....you know all of that will be perfect. It takes time, to put the straddles where you need them, add the ruling where you want it, etc, but every method is going to take time. I definitely would like to try your method once I understand how the tables are individually gotten into Framemaker when they only exist in a much larger Word document.....then I can decide which method is overall better (I'd still also like to know if there's a macro or script that would automate the special pasting I described, as I can do everything else fairly quickly....I don't mind building these tables, it even has a creative side to it I like, but I'd love to be able to 1) highlight the cell contents in Word; 2) hit control-C; 3) click in the Framemaker cell; 4) and key some predefined key combination that would immediately paste/special those cell contents, as text, into the Framemaker cell. If I could do that, that would speed things up enough for me.... Looking forward to learing more about this - thanks again-
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‎Oct 27, 2017
07:02 PM
I don't know - I'm doing it the way i was shown. The tables are recreated, from scratch, using the Table/Insert Table dialog box. I hadn't used Framemaker since 2004 when coming into this job, so I'm far from expert in what it can do and how it interacts with other formats. Let me answer your question with a question: how do I import a Word table into Framemaker...? And once IN Frame, is it fully editable as it is if I had created that table in Frame (in other words....it doesn't import as a graphic, or something, yes?)? And would it behave, within the text, as a created-within-Framemaker table would, ie, able to move and flow as the text will, but holding its overall position, inserted as cloe the table callout as possible (usually end of paragraph)? And how would I "remove the overrides that come along" ? If I can do th first two things, I already know how to assign the styles -- in Frame, that's always easy. I assume there's a reason why it wasn't done the way you describe, but I'm willing to learn it and give it a try—maybe they just hadn't thought of it.These documents need to be fully editable up to the moment they're signed off upon, at which point they're converted to PDFs and published....we're not doing anything structured with them in other words...
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‎Oct 27, 2017
06:09 PM
Tables in Word are recreated in Framemaker 13....styles are already set up for this, putting the data in the correct font size, centered (or not), etc....there are FM table styles for the table header row, the main body cells, and the footnotes. Currently, I am copying each individual Word table cell's contents, and then "paste special"ing each into the corresponding Framemaker table cell (choosing "as text" from the pulldown menu that appears, and hitting "ok")....after the initial copying in Word, it's several keystrokes, including a mouse move up to that pulldown menu, just to paste in each cell, over and over and over again. It would be so nice to be able to automate (with scripts, or macros?) just the pasting-in part....ie. I would copy the number in the Word cell, and then by clicking the mouse pointer in the correct Framemaker table cell and executing some custom keystroke, the "paste special" and choosing of "text" would happen automatically.....and, viola! the number magically appears in the Frameker cell, with correct style applied (I've already applied my Framemaker table style to all the cells I plan to populate by this copy/paste-special method). I've read that some elaborate Framemaker scripting can be done with things like ExtendScript, and others....but what about this relatively SIMPLE task....the clicking in the cell, choosing "paste special", choosing "text", and hitting "ok"....it would seem like it shouldnt' be tough to automate that...? I've found a few forums and pages talking about scripting, but they usually seem a bit outdated, for older versions of Framemaker....can anyone tell me if what I'm asking about is even possible? Ideally without purchasing some several hundred dollar plugin.... what can File/Script do....anything like this? It's not that it's a lot of work for any one table cell....but it becomes very tedious when multiplied by potentially hundreds of table cells (some documents have multiple, very large tables)....anything to speed up the formatting in this way frees up time for actual editing! Thanks in advance for any help/advice --
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