I actually did a kiosk about 1 year ago with video recording, and for at least 24 hours, I actually considered AIR.  What was I thinking?  The great thing about Flash and AIR was that Adobe dealt with licensing that various media formats it would support.  The world has evolved.  Browser video is ready for prime time. Delivered on windows using reactjs (not native), node/express, ffmpeg, and a few other open source stuff.  We used KioWare's kiosk shell combined with Chrome. The technology choices had no impact on business decisions once I started.  Plus, the fact there's like a billion OS libraries in JS it was never an issue getting or extending existing code. For example, while KioWare has an onscreen keyboard software, but when I was in discovery, I could easily compare several open source solutions to this.  In the past 25 years of using "multimedia" tools I've had to create my share of onscreen keyboards.  Using a popular platform ("the web") means you can leverage all that. I'm not trying to pick a fight with this one, but wanted to share my experience where I sincerely considered AIR. ... View more

I got the email--thanks. ==SUPPORT (occasional emails?) What mechanism are you going to use for support? ...Adobe's forum?  Asking for direct emails to "ANE" of "FEATURE" or whatever is more lame than the worst Adobe support.  You might think I'm impatient, but "where's the beef?"  So far it's just press releases and emails. Saying "maybe" another release at the end of July...etc.  Man, I've worked on some fly-by-night projects, but it's June 8th right now....  Most of my customers in other tech have clear plans for at least 6-12 months out. ==PRICING (yes, I know "it's coming"): What's the pricing structure? I can't afford to even take the time to install a (still not materialized) beta without knowing the offer you're making. No doubt the fanbois on this list will dig right in--though it might not always be best to get feedback from such blindly obedient users. ==TEAM (is it literally just you Andrew?) Please disclose the kinds of resources committed to this experiment.  Is it just one dev?  You say you have 1000s of C++ files, but please tell us the size of the team and their exact objectives/roadmap.  If you're making promises of solutions in the next few weeks I think it's a reasonable expectation for me to try to assess a confidence level.  From 0-5 what's your confidence level that you'll deliver a ready for prime time 64bit solution by July 1?   FWIW, of the three major clients that had some existing remnants of AIR two have made prudent business decisions (to leave) based on Adobe's inaction and silence... they don't even want to hear what this HARMAN thing is all about.  One glutton for punishment at least still wants to know what the deal is--but honestly, there's nothing I can tell them except excerpts of your comments and emails.  Despite my negative tone, it's actually way more than Adobe has done in the last 24 months--so kudos. Straight advice: deliver the promised 64bit solution before asking for new feature directions.  ... View more

Speculating and then being "right" is just luck.  Big deal. ... View more

The personal investment by so many Adobe employees can't be over stated.  I'd like to think my criticism that follows can not overshadow that fact. But... while it became obvious there were legal or business negotiation reasons not to comment publicly, this news and promise of forthcoming support is simply too late.  Many businesses have moved on--as they're just not nimble enough to make a one-eighty at the 11th hour. Sure there's another month or two until August--but many software projects have to be planned more than a couple months out.  "Best possible" outcome--okay, I agree it could be worse.  Frankly, the businesses I work with will never want to rely a vendor with this kind of response.  It's not so much "too little" but it's unfortunately "too late".  I hope Harman has a way to make money on this.  Can you tell I'm not bullish on AIR? Maybe in the future if I haven't learned my lesson by then, or have a masochistic bent I'll give Harman AIR a whirl.  If I had to predict the future I think it's more likely I'll be looking back at the good old days of AIR not unlike how Flash is sometimes revered. ... View more

This is cool I suppose.  Too late for any normal sized project.  I'm sure many devs and their companies work faster than me, but most business averse to extreme risk and faith in a company that doesn't communicate have moved on.  Plus, exactly how do you get a version that works for 64bit?  I filled in the form on HARMAN's website--I guess I just have to have faith they'll follow up?  Has anyone heard back from them and gotten binaries to download or is this going to materialize July 31st?  ... View more

Even if Adobe does come through and delivers, it is them who should be apologizing... for a lack of ANY INFO FOR YEARS!!!!!   Get real.   I'll be quick to acknowledge my predictions were wrong I suppose.  But, I've already had three biggish customers have to make serious changes in their projects because--at this point it's obvious Adobe has dropped AIR.  Even if they do come through, it's too late.  Anyone with any kind of business would be reckless to just be waiting for them.  Anyone defending Adobe here obviously has no skin in the game--if you do then you do your business in a much riskier manner than me or any of my customers. ... View more

OMG if this wasn't so sad I'd say this is one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while.  Maybe some folks are "trolling" but there's also something called a fanboy. All the theories of where it is, when it's coming, is it coming--all speculation.  You can base it on the moon or some schedule or rational you want--whichever. For my business interests I obvs can't accept the risk beyond the 4 month Android drop dead date. FWIW, I believe I understood every intent from the non English speaker.  [EDIT: had to fix my own typo yet English native.] ... View more

Important to note: that less than clear comment about AIR was TWO years ago.  You can find the post and it will show October 2018--but that's simply the date the moderator locked the thread.  ... View more

I'll be the first to eat my words if there's anything approaching a comeback.  All I can do is share my 25+ years of experience and suggest it's time to hang it up. ... View more

I'll stand my my original claim: until and unless Adobe makes a comment, they are being silent for the exact reason that they don't want to be obligated to support it a minute longer than they have to. Please spare me the repeat about how they're working on it... or it'll be around for another 2 years.  The only thing that will shut me up about this is a comment from Adobe.  There are still employees there right?  They can't all be so busy they can't comment here.  Do none comment on other forums?  FWIW, it really doesn't impact me anymore--as I officially pulled the plug on my existing apps.  I still like watching this thread. ... View more

Pointing out the value of AIR does not translate into a reason why Adobe will support it.  The reason they'll likely drop it is because it costs them in support.  We all know the benefit--I think we all have projects that value this.  Just because it's valuable doesn't mean anything to the shareholders. The concept of paying for it is so that shareholders have a reason to support. Approximately how many months or years of non-response from Adobe would convince you it's EOL'd?  Personally, I just think they need to say one way or the other.  It's costing people real money.  Not the first time Adobe has screwed their customers.  (Oh, yeah, it's free so I guess we're not customers.) ... View more

As a shareholder I'd ask why should they invest anything?  I suspect they're only supporting it as far as they feel they're obligated--nothing more.  If anyone has insight as to how you'd explain to a shareholder why they should spend $1, I'm all ears. ... View more

Right on.  Hilarious that some above think this proves they're committed to an upgrade and we'll be getting regular updates.  I must be a half-empty kind of person or just not consuming happy pills.  This is one of the biggest tech companies around--they have the resources to make official statements.  Yet, the last one was 2 years ago and in a locked thread.  I'm happy to be wrong but I'll be sure to provide the my customer's accounting department with the "as far as I know" statement... along with the reference to these plans which haven't changed.  I wonder to what plans "PK" is referring.  Perhaps it's the yet to be revealed roadmap Chris announced in early 2017.  I love this thread. ... View more

I definitely need--for the bean counters at a particular company--something official.  ... View more

Funny.  You don't work for Adobe right? I have it from a recent Adobe employee that the product is already sun setted.  You can make uninformed statements like we'll have 2 years more of support after some announcement from Adobe, but I think that's what is BS.   What's your explanation for the fact they said they'd have a road map 2 years ago and have been silent--even locking the thread?  I've been through similar product ends, I'm pretty old really... I can see the writing on the wall.   What's your theory for why Adobe won't even make a statement here?  They're just too busy working on AIR right?  I actually would prefer that I was wrong but until Adobe says otherwise mark my words. ... View more

Without speaking for all the "whiners", I think you don't understand my concern.  If Adobe would make a commitment, they'd be beholden to their shareholders to stick to it.... so if they said, "it's over" I could then use that as justification for the investment my customers would need to do.  If they said "we're committed" (and I'm not talking about the last post they had 2 years ago) then similarly, that would justify my customers to invest in a little more AIR work.  As is, I'm expected to make predictions that have real dollar results to my customers.  As is, I can only guess and have a 50/50 chance of being wrong--which is not acceptable to them. Another comment above says their company is okay with sitting around for 30 days for Adobe to update something.  The last time this bit my customer it almost meant the end of my relationship with them.  I am NOT okay with that.  I'm fine with Adobe stepping back, but all I want is for some clarity.  All these comments are from people who--with all due respect--have no clue what Adobe will do. Adobe: just make an official statement and give us a break.  We all love(d) AIR and just need to make some business decisions.  Having said all this, at least one customer has made the prudent decision already.  I'll spare you what that was because I'm sure it'll trigger many to say I'm just whining or whatever. ... View more

The way one of my client does (something similar to that) is to just require the user has an account via their website.  Then, to use the app, you just have to log in.  In my case the accounts are free and it's legit educational (continuing education credits are earned)... so the whole deal with iTunes wanting 30% is moot. But, technically, there's nothing to it.  In the case of iTunes in particular, you need a way for them to get their cut. ... View more

Hey, rewb0rn... I'm happy to remove any misinformation.  Fact: I had a recent Adobe employee tell me AIR was sunsetted.  Speculation: you saying "fix for iOS 12.1 will come, don't worry."  ... View more

Except they said they promised a roadmap like a year or two ago... on this forum. ... View more

Let's be real here.  It's (practically) over.  Adobe's silence is really simple: if they say anything they're obligated to answer to their shareholders.  Please prove me wrong.  Anyone thinking I'm spreading FUD.  Well, sure.  What's biting me now is lack of a statement from Adobe.  It's a financial hit to me--their silence.  If they committed to support, that would impact how I treat a few ongoing projects... if they were forthcoming and simply said anything (even that "it's over") that would allow me to get funding for re-writes on some products.  As is their silence is unprofessional IMO. ... View more

(forgive the FUD but...) also based on experience, when there's silence from Adobe, that's not a great sign. ... View more

Wait, it's your speculation or it's what Adobe said?  ... View more

Yeah, absent a peep from Adobe and I think it's obvious they're not moving forward.  Please Adobe, prove me wrong.  I'd prefer to be wrong on this one, but geez, their silence is deafening. ... View more

With all due respect, you don't speak for Adobe. Also, the last statement from them (which you quote) was over 1 year ago--so that's not exactly satisfactory to make anyone relax. Adobe is a publicly held company and is obligated to tell the truth when detailing their public plans.  The fact they're silent makes me think they must not want to make any more positive statements (you do agree they've been silent right?).Yes everything has risks. Anyway,  yes everything has risks. But to point to Google and Apple as external entities ignores the point that seems super obvious: the only reason we're using AIR is to target those platforms.  Finally, I totally see Adobe providing patches/updates to AIR.  That is support they agree they should be doing--nothing more, nothing less.   I just wish they'd give some kind of certainty vs silence. ... View more

My customer and I are invested in AIR but that first provision "as long as the SDK follows Apple/Google..." is the exact risk we see.  Both platforms periodically make a change that requires a new AIR SDK materializes to support it.  Not sure why so many people believe what they wish will happen (Adobe supports AIR "forever"). It's not at all concerning that Adobe is silent on this question?  I'd just wish Adobe would come out and clarify, unfortunately their silence is clarification enough.  ... View more

I don't want to spread FUD, but EXACTLY where has Adobe made any such confirmation?  I've had a recent Adobe employee just a few weeks ago tell me he was certain it was sunsetted.  The last I checked that thread it had been a year or something since Adobe even commented.  And their comment has not been followed through upon.  Not trying to create  drama but I really need to know.  Lacking any actual official word from Adobe I can tell you the way I have to approach it--that it's going be unsupported simultaneously with Flash player's end. ... View more

For sure, it's concerning and I am still wary.   I've attempted to mitigate the known risks, but if anyone on this forum has found their bank accounts emptied I'd want to know.  The developer does appear to support the product and had to make some pretty convincing support documents for the whole thing to be a front.  Plus, I can say it definitely resolved the issue that I still have when I bring it over to macOS.  Having said all that, there are definitely major risks running any software like this and I don't want to vouch for any company.  Anyone else use this product?  I'm less concerned about the $40 cost than the exposure of my apple id.  ... View more

I'm not sure if I just foobar'd my mac or if I still don't have the latest application loader + xcode (though I did update it all). I finally have a solution to use AIR30, I just got this "AppLoader" from Application Loader--Application Loader for Windows,Linux and Mac It's totally been working and saves me the time to hop over to my mac--I'm on Windows now for100% of code-to-store (well, testflight at least). ... View more

Thanks for all the replies above!  I made a build using AIR 29.  I got it through Application Loader and into TestFlight/AppStoreConnect.  I do get the warning about expired certificate: Certificate Expired - The signing certificate "CN=Apple Worldwide Developer Relations Certification Authority, OU=Apple Worldwide Developer Relations, O=Apple Inc., C=US" with serial number 25 used to sign My App.app has expired. Learn more (https://help.apple.com/xcode/mac/current/#/dev154b28f09). Is there any point in installing Apple's .cer file on Windows? Thanks ... View more

I've followed all the instructions I could find regarding Assets.car and icons.  However, I'm not getting any errors about icons nor about the Apple world-wide certificate if I use AIR30.  When I was testing with AIR28 I was.  I can try to go back and try there, but I guess I had the impression that AIR30 should work. Has anyone been able to upload an iOS app using AIR30, distribution certificate & profile?   If so, it's probably on my end--but, I'm really stuck. What I'd love: --clear decisive instructions on how the assets.car issue applies to AIR. --confirmation that it's possible to build on Windows 10 an AIR30 (or an older version that can work) app that can be posted to appstoreconnect (via mac using Application Loader). ... View more