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? Annanpolitan
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February 10, 2024
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Simple change to first paragraph of chapter cause other paragraphs "re-compose". How do I stop this?

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Hello.   My client wants to remove the indent from the first paragraph of a chapter while the remainig paragraphs remain indented. When I do this, other paragraphs that follow re-compose which bumps text to the following pages. This is a problem because the book has been indexed. Is there a way shut off the “recomposition” feature?

 
I tried creating a new paragraph style for the first paragraph but the problem still occurred. Any thoughts? Solutions?
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Robert at ID-Tasker
Legend
February 10, 2024

This kind of a "reflow" isn't a big deal - you just need to create PDF from the original file - for reference - then manually fix those lines - either by compressing or expanding your text slightly - there shouldn't be too many of them.

 

Joel Cherney
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 10, 2024

I think that maybe you are digging in the wrong spot. The composer is actually a paragraph-level setting, not a document-level setting, so changing the composer on one paragraph should not affect downstream paragraphs. 

 

However, one thing that will cause recomposition throughout a story is to edit it in a version of InDesign that is later than the version in which it was created. So: let's say you did the index in InDesign 2022, version 18.3. Then you upgraded to InDesign 2023, version 19.0. Then you open you y indexed document.

 our text boxes will still look like they did in 18.3 until you make a text edit in one. At that point it will recompose the entire story. If the text composition rules have changed, and you have a line that just barely fits, then there is a non-zero chance of reflow.

 

You can force the issue by using the Recompose All Stories shortcut, which on Windows is  ctrl-alt-/. That will show you all the places you need to redo the copy-fitting if you don't want to redo the index 

 

The real solution is to never upgrade a document in the middle of a project. You can install the latest version of Indy and keep the old version installed. So that way you can do your new project in the latest version, but you don't have to upgrade your months-long project, which can induce all kinds of problems when you upgrade.

 

If you wrote over your old version of InDesign, you can reinstall it from Creative Cloud; there is a little drop down next to the Install button that lets you install older versions.

 

 

Steve Werner
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 10, 2024

Sorry, I got it wrong about the composer: "Adobe Paragraph Composer" - duh!

 

I also way thought of setting it for a document, but that's really not so.

Peter Kahrel
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 10, 2024

Coming back to your question 'Is there a way shut off the “recomposition” feature?' -- No, there isn't. When you touch some text in InDesign, its parent story recomposes. There's nothing you can do about that. Composer type has no influence on that. The single-line composer may sometimes absorb recomposition, but recomposition happens nevertheless.

James Gifford—NitroPress
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February 10, 2024

Steve's answer probably addresses your immediate question, but let me add —

 

Non-indented first paragraphs, at the start of chapters and following any heading or column break (space, or a separator glyph) are pretty standard for page composition. I'd make it a habit to do layout that way. The proper way is a child paragraph style: Body as a basis for Body NoInd, for example. If you're implying that you're doing it some other way — with spot formatting of those paragraphs, for example — yikes, stop that. Always use styles.

 

Assigning a style to these lead paragraphs can let you fix any consequential problems, too. The only reason I can think that "other paragraphs are recomposing" is that you're inflicting an unwanted style change with the indent fix — and a separate, child style should prevent that — or that you have first paragraphs that lose a line because of the indent space going away. If the latter is the case, you could tweak the spread of those paragraphs by a tiny bit to make up for the lost space and make them wrap to the same number of lines. (And that's why you "always use styles!")

 

You also say it's a problem because "the book has already been indexed." In a tool like InDesign, if the indexing is done with inserted anchors, it should be trivial to update the index after any change to the content. If you're manually maintaining an index... that's a lot of work that can be avoided by using the tools already at hand.

? Annanpolitan
Participant
February 10, 2024

Hey James,
Thanks for your reply. I inherited this ID book document and it is full of paragraph styles that are not used. I use some of the styles.

I am not sure how to make a child paragraph style.....so I duplicated the paragraph style and only changed the indent.

I applied it to the first paragraph and the problem still happened. If by spot formatting you mean kerning, soft returns and adjusting the leading, I do all those things to make the layout work. 

 

The indexing is done by an outside source and I receive it as a Word file.


I have not had this problem before and I think that the next time I will re-create the book myself and not work from a previous ID file.
This book may be a lost cause. and I will just have to keep an eye out for page jumps, etc.....I would appreciate any more of your thoughts.

 

Thanks. Claire

James Gifford—NitroPress
Legend
February 10, 2024

Okay, sounds like you inherited a kind of difficult situation. To begin with, working with someone else's long-evolved template (which is often jammed with unused styles and spot "fixes" instead of being organized and easy to use) can be... a problem. One of your goals might be to start cleaning it up, starting with the base body and heading styles and then working down to either adjust or eliminate as many of the other styles as you can.

 

But right off the bat, if you're not using styles for everything, as is good/more-or-less-required ID practice, the problems are just going to multiply until you have documents you simply can't manage, or make behave, any more. ID does not tolerate spot formatting well, and it leads not just to inconsistent formatting that's hard to fix, but bizarre problems like this current one, that even an expert user with their hands on the file might need time to sort out.

 

Right now, right here: use styles. Don't use any kind of overrides on font size, spacing, line spacing, any of that. Starting with the first paragraph, make sure it's got a clean style assigned (no + mark at the end of the style name, indicating it's been modified). That's not just fussiness, it's absolutely essential to getting any InDesign project to a manageable state, especially a large one.

 

If a style doesn't work for some reason, it takes some judgment (both esthetic and practical, the latter based on a good working grasp of InDesign) to figure out the best step, which is either to adjust the style in use for a better global 'fit,' or to create a child style to handle the variation. The difference between just a duplicate and a child style is that the latter is linked upward to a parent style — in the case of your current problem, you have BODY, which is indented. You don't just go paragraph to paragraph and the indent, you create a duplicate style from BODY, name it (say) BODY NoIndent, and change that style's indent. The key is that if you look at the style definition, BODY NoIndent is based on BODY, so any changes made to BODY (a tweak of font size or spacing, for example) are automatically passed to BODY NoIndent, but the latter preserves the change of indent (or color, or space-below, or whatever).

 

This is really basic InDesign usage. You can't just hack and slash and fingerpaint the way Word allows (even encourages). Trust me, this small glitch you're trying to fix is just the beginning of an avalanche of problems if you don't do both things: start using styles, replace all spot overrides with defined styles, and start cleaning up and organizing the template/styles list you were given.

 

This forum is here to help — almost everyone here has some degree of expertise to share, and we are all volunteers — but I'd really suggest some tutorials or how-to research on the basics of ID layout and formatting, to cover things thoroughly and give you a good basis for asking questions.

 

FWIW, I hate both using someone else's style setups, unless they were meticulous about the details, and I groan at taking on outside material, since Word is a difficult format to import and clean up, even if provided by a picky professional and not the average office worker/author type. But employees or consultants rarely have any control over those conditions, and we've all been there. So, one thing at a time.:)

Steve Werner
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 10, 2024

The default Adobe Paragraph Composer purposely tries to recompose lines to produce the best spacing for the type.

 

If you want only individual lines to be affected during composition, choose Adobe Single-Line Composer from the Control Panel menu:

 

? Annanpolitan
Participant
February 10, 2024

Hey Steve,
Thank you for your reply. If I select the Single-line Composer, will it protect the whole document? 
I am going into the office to work on the project and I will try your suggestion.

I will let you know and thanks again.

Steve Werner
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 10, 2024

The Composer is a document-wide setting so it should apply to all lines in the document.