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We're just starting to address/test our PDF accessibility; our screen reader is NVDA. We put images, like our icons, in line with the text. The first time we refer to them we give the name followed by the image, e.g., click the Save icon (image). After that we just show the image (see the example below). When we generate the PDF, it puts the alt text for the images at the end of the reading order. We can rearrange the order so the alt text is under the paragraph it applies to but, obviously, it won't let us put it in the correct spot in the paragraph. The only way around this we think is to never show just the icon but always name it. How do others handle this?
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Hi @KLHindy, and welcome to the accessibility world!
Clarifying... It's not possible for Alt Text to end up at the end of the reading order. It's a attribute on the <Figure> tag (and other tags). So wherever the <Figure> tag is in your Tag Tree panel, Alt Text is there embedded within <Figure> (right-click, Properties, and view the Alt Text field). You won't see the Alt Text anywhere in any Acrobat panel.
There are many ways to handle accessibility of the icon you describe, and it depends upon how the document is used and its purpose. In order to help, can you answer a couple of questions?
In your snippet "and click (Save icon)," you have to be clear that a screen reader doesn't think that by reading the instructions they'll also be saving IF they click on your icon that's in the text. Or maybe they should do that? Hard to tell your intent.
So are these instructions for performing a sequence of steps or actions? If so, there are accessibility concerns right from the start:
As you develop your accessible document, keep in mind that accessibility isn't just for those who use screen readers: the majority of our audiences have other disabilities and use other assistive technologies.
The goal is to make the document work for everyone, whether they have a disability or not and regardless of what technology they use. Therefore, the text around the icon is just as critical as the icon and its Alt Text.
Hope this helps. And as you learn the accessibility ropes, here's a public forum that's one of the best in the world: https://webaim.org/discussion/ It's unbiased, and has the most knowledgeable folks. You'll get a lot of good advice from the members. The Adobe forum (this website) is really just about Adobe's products and not about accessibility, and there are only a handful of us who have any experience with accessibility at all.
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Boy, I didn't except to get such a lecture about this question and I'm not going to respond to all of it. Our source is Word. I've tried many different ways to generate the PDF, and I think my Acrobat version is the one with some accessibility bugs. For my Figure tags, I see PathPathPath. With that said even in a PDF created by someone else that looks to have the correct tags, it's reading the alt text at the end sentence or at the end of the list or some spot other than where the image/alt text is in the paragraph. So I will research this elsewhere, like webaim as you suggest.
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In graphic files, "PathPathPath" is indicating that the graphic is made up of individual lines or "path"s in computer-ese. Although sighted users can see "PathPathPath" in the tag's yellow content container, it shouldn't be read by any screen reader. The Alt Text is what should be read.
Question: where is the <Figure> tag located in the tag tree: at the end of the sentence?
If you can upload a PDF with the problem, I'd be glad to review it for you.
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Did you ever find a way around this? I am having the same issue in a document created in Word then saved as PDF.
It reads ok if I use Edge to read the PDF (via NVDA) but if I read it in Adobe reader it reads the text, skips over the images and then reads the alt text out at the end of the page.
I have taken a small snippet of the document and created a test file to see if I can get it working but so far no luck.
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Hi! If you download the PAC3 software (PDF Accessibility Checker 3) and you inspect the logical structure (= tag tree) of your document you can see that you have an h1 title, then the full paragraph with all the text and only after that the two figures, that is why the SR read the figures only after all the text. If you want the figures in the right order the tag tree should be with the figures inside the P and something like "Span text - figure - span text - figure - span text" all inside P ^_^ Probably there is a way to fix the order with Word but I don't know specifically how, if you really can't find a way to fix it I will try to find the time to look at it and see if i can quicky find a way...