Vectors look horrible

[displaced7]

I have an illustrator file that I am attempting to put together into a brochure.  My steps below:

1. Create Illustrator file, layers as pages

2.  Create InDesign file and import pages

3.  Export as print-ready, uncompressed, etc., etc.

When I open the PDF the smaller vectors look HORRIBLE.  Totally illegible.  I know Acrobat has been just terrible at this for so many years, but I am hoping that there is something that can be done.  It really makes it useless to send PDF's to clients for proofing/comments when it looks so bad.

What DOES work:

1.  Export from Illustrator as 300dpi JPEGS

2.  Combine JPEGS in Acrobat

Then you can easily see those vectors.  But, of course, they aren't vectors anymore!  

Screen shot below

Am I missing something?  You'd think Acrobat could accurately present vectors by now...

 

[try67]

At which point in that process did you use Acrobat, exactly? Sounds like you use Illustrator and then InDesign, and Acrobat only displays the file as it was created from ID. I suggest you ask in the forums dedicated to those two applications what's the best workflow to achieve your desired result.

[Bevi Chagnon - PubCom]

@displaced7 

Questions:

1. Why are you using Illustrator to lay out pages? It's a graphics program, not a page layout program.
2. What format are you using to save the Illustrator files and then importing into InDesign?
3. Are you copying/pasting from Illustrator into InDesign?

If it any time you use JPEG/JPG file format, you will bitmap your vectors and trash your work. JPEG is a crappy, lossy file format that even at its highest quality settings, will still kill your vectors into bitmaps/dots. The file format was designed for photographs and painting-like illustrations, nothing else.
 

A better, more professional workflow might be to create only the individual graphics in Illustrator.

• Export them to AI, EPS, PNG, graphical PDF, or some other NON-BITMAPPED format (which is what JPEG is).
• Place the AI, EPS, PNG, graphical PDF file into InDesign.
• Complete the remaining design in InDesign, not Illustrator.
• Export the layout to either PDF-Print or PDF-Interactive (for web-quality distribution). Note that the print- and interactive PDF options aren't available in Illustrator because Illustrator was never intended to create the final PDF.

I know Acrobat has been just terrible at this for so many years, but I am hoping that there is something that can be done. It really makes it useless to send PDF's to clients for proofing/comments when it looks so bad.

By  @displaced7 

Trying to be as kind as possible here, but you're really misuing the software and expecting great results from a limiting workflow.

This is not an Acrobat error or shortcoming: it's a user error because of your workflow.

Learn to use the Creative Suite tools correctly and you'll have gorgeous proofs for your clients.

Look at the pro-training at Linked-In Learning. The folks who teach the Creative Suite design programs are all professionals with decades of experience creating all kinds of materials, from high-end advertising to long books and everything in between. And many of them are ACP/moderators of the InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop forums here.

Learn from them.

[displaced7]

There is no problem with ID or AI.  The problem is with how Acrobat displays vectors.  It's been this way since Acrobat was created, it just seems like Adobe would make some effort to fix this as it's largely what Acrobat is for (a container to present vectors and bitmaps).

If you zoom in 1000 it looks like a vector, but viewed at 100%, 150%, etc., it looks just horrible.  As in so bad there's no way I can use it professionally to display work.

Has there not been any solution/effort to remidy what has been a known issue for decades?

[Bevi Chagnon - PubCom]

Haven't had any problem with vector rendoring in Acrobat, and we produce thousands of documents a year.

Asked before, and now again.

1. Why are you using Illustrator to lay out pages? It's a graphics program, not a page layout program.
2. What format are you using to save the Illustrator files and then importing into InDesign?
3. Are you copying/pasting from Illustrator into InDesign?

Whether zoomed out to 50% or in  to 200%, they are crisp vectors of illustrations, maps, and charts.

[JR Boulay]

JPEGs are not vectors.

I suppose that in addition these are JPEGs in CMYK mode?

[displaced7]

No, it's not going to print, no color profiles have been changed (it's all sRGB for web viewing).

[JR Boulay]

Try to play with these settings:

[Forrest230901873x01]

Same issue here... Export all spreads a <600 ppi png from InDesign and recombine in acrobat. Annoying but looks as like it does in InDesign/Illustrator. Hope this helps.

-F