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RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

I'm using CS6 and when I create a PDF, the RGB colors appear much duller than the original source file. The shift is about (if not exactly) what you would see if you converted an RGB document with bright colors to CMYK.

I'm on a Mac using the latest update to OS X. My typical process for creating a PDF is by starting with Photoshop JPEGs and using the "Combine Files in a Single PDF" function, or by exporting an InDesign document (with RGB art) directly to a PDF.

If I open the exported PDF in either Adobe Acrobat Pro (10.1.4) or the latest version of Adobe Reader, the bright, saturated RGB colors in the original document appears noticeably dull in the PDF.

I've experimented with several different Color Settings to no avail, including different RGB settings (sRGB, Adobe RGB (1998), etc.). Currently my settings are using Bridge to Synchronize my Color Settings across my CS6 apps (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Acrobat) and have confirmed they are all reporting a Synchronized state.

My overall Color Setting is "Monitor Color" (though I've also tried others, including the default North American General Purpose). My RGB Workspace for all apps is set to the Profile of my Dell monitor, which was created with Apple's built-in calibration tool (not the best, I know, but wouldn't account for a difference as dramatic as this.) And my Color Management Policies under these Syncronized settings are all automatically set to "Off".

As a test, if I export my RGB InDesign document to a JPEG and open that file back in Photoshop, the colors are fine—unchanged from the original look as they originally appeared in Photoshop. It's only when I go to Acrobat that the colors shift to a duller version.

I keep looking in Acrobat preferences for a "Display PDF with Embedded Profile" or something along those lines, but Acrobat Color Management settings are the same as all my other CS6 apps.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

R

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

For those like me who scroll to the bottom of the page to see if there is a solution. This already was mentioned above by others.

Workaround that works for me

A little Tool, that was specificly written for this bug.

https://github.com/iccir/ColorFaker

I only use this when softproofing in Acrobat and disable it right afterwards because of the side effects when converting to sRGB.

Enjoy softproofing again

JO

In OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, when a color or image lacks an embedded color profile, it is interpreted in the sRGB color space. Previously, the main display's color space was used.

As a result, color meter utilities will show values after an sRGB → Main Display conversion. While many meters offer a "Display in sRGB" feature, using it will result in a double conversion. This results in rounding errors or clipped values.

Color Faker replaces the Generic RGB and sRGB color profiles with the main display's profile. This allows "native values" in color meters to once again be the native values of the display.

As a side-effect, any "Convert to sRGB" or "Assign sRGB Profile" commands in applications will no longer work. You will still be able to manually assign the backup sRGB profile.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Anyone tested yesterdays update?

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Crazy....

Its 9.5.5 now by the way...

Its actually and still no working Acrobat for 10.8.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

10.1.8 is out. Anyone tested?

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

I don't believe we ever committed to fixing this issue in 10.x, only in 11.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

In which case that's a disgraceful failure towards loyal customers. 9 is able to display colours accurately and 10 should too.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Your colleague Sandeep (see above) was hoping that the issue should be resolved soon, and that was in April. This attitude is not exactly helping me like Adobe more.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Ironsenth:

Why do state that you support OSX 10.8 with Acrobat 10, when you do not? Link

Edit: This link for Acrobat 10 requirements has changed. Before OSX 10.7 and 10.8 was supported. Suddenly its only 10.6.4.

Nice one Adobe....

This is false and misleading. One can not use Acrobat Pro 10 for what its meant; View colormanaged PDFs. This tool is developed for the the graphic business. We´re sitting on high end wide gamut, hardware calibrated, ISO12646 certified monitors under ISO 3664 certified viewing conditions to serve our customers color accurate products.

This is impossible with your "supported" Acrobat 10.

In our company we have unistalled all innstallations of Acrobat 10 and reinstalled the not supported Acrobat 9.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Wouldn't it make more sense to move to the supported and more fully featured (esp. for print production) Acrobat XI??

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Hmmm

Mechanic to customer: Sir, the headlights on your two-year-old car are defective due to a manufacturing defect and (insert motor manufacturer) won't work on a solution. Wouldn't it make more sense to buy their latest model? It has alloy wheels as standard ...

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Customer to Car Manufacturer: The local highway on which I use my two year old vehicle has switched their tollbooths from the left-hand side (where they have been for 20+ years) to the right-hand side were I can no longer reach it. I know that your newer vehicles have an option for which side the driver can be on, but I am unwilling to switch to the newer model (even though it also offers me lots of other useful features such as built-in GPS, Bluetooth and more). So how about you give me a free trade-in on my existing car instead?

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Nice try but it doesn't really wash. I wouldn't object to a workaround (or a walk around to the other side of the car) but that is not possible because nobody is prepared to facilitate this - although strangely the previous model does work with both toll booths but hasn't got the GPS and Bluetooth, which may not be crucial to the driver anyway - and a signpost merely saying buy your new model here is just a bit cheeky, don't you think?

Customers bought into Acrobat X in good faith and regardless of where you want to pin the blame they have a right to expect at least similar performance to the previous iteration, not degraded performance. Two multi-million/billion dollar companies are prepared to squabble over blame rather than honour their customer's expectation with an existing product and you are happy to defend that? Presumably there is communication between the two firms. It doesn't promote much faith in Adobe support or in future products - if a similar bug is found in XI will the reponse just be to suggest waiting to buy XII?

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Hey,


maybe the hackers that stole the source code of Adobe Acrobat will fix the bug

Adobe says source code, customer data stolen by hackers

That would be quite embarrassing for Adobe

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

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We always can use https://github.com/iccir/ColorFaker with Acrobat.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

ps: with respect, if you are suggesting that such a move could be facilitated by Adobe, ie a free upgrade for those affected by this issue, then your remarks would make more sense and frankly would seem less provocative.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

I find the issue does not occur in Acrobat Reader, but (still) occurs in Acrobat XI Pro.

I'm running OS X 10.10.3 and have hoped this issue would be resolved by now, especially after forking out do$h for new CC subscription.

To add further insult, it looks fine in Apple's Preview, Safari and Google Chrome also.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Most Valued Participant , Apr 22, 2015

Perhaps it is fixed in the current version.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

What version of Acrobat XI? This problem has been fixed for a while now as you see in Reader

Sent from Outlook<http://taps.io/outlookmobile>

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

I have Acrobat Pro XI 11.0.10.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

As far as we are aware, that issue has been fixed by that version.

If you have a sample document and information about your system that continues to demonstrate it with 11.0.10 – please send it along.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

OK, what magic button am I to press to get vibrant green on all pages?

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Please provide a PDF – a PNG doesn’t tell me anything about the actual content in question…

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Will try to PM it to you, not prepared to share this doc online.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

I had a similar issue, when saving a CMYK Illustrator file with a linked RGB photo in side the Illustrator file. When I tried to save as a pdf, the colors became extremely dull/washed out. Being a novice to Illustrator, I'm not sure if this is the ideal answer...but when I chose Profile Inclusion Policy: Include All Profiles, that seemed to save my pdf with the correct colors.

Can anyone verify if this is an ok way to save the PDF, as a print shop will be printing the file? I just want to make sure they have all the information they need in the files, so that the file prints the colors correctly (as in the same view I get when looking at .ai file).

Thanks!

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

You should be aware that those “dull colors” are exactly what will print. CMYK inks used by printers simply don't have the wide range (i.e., what we call “gamut”) that RGB screens do. Using the method of leaving the colors unchanged and embedding the profiles in the PDF file will allow for the images to display brilliantly, but unless you use special printing processes that use additional inks, what prints will not look as bright and brilliant. Note that leaving the images as RGB with profiles for printing is best practice and virtually all RIPs and digital printers do properly process color-managed workflows, but some Luddite printers are ignorant of that fact and might demand that you convert everything to CMYK before they will print. Too bad!

        - Dov

- Dov Isaacs, Principal Scientist, Adobe

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Why is Acrobat Pro DC setting the Color Profile to the monitor profile, not the working profile that is sync'd with the rest of the CC apps? The part that says "Working RGB:.." is Acrobat assigning the monitor profile as the working RGB or is it picking this up from somewhere else?  I use an i1 profiler.

screen grab below from the advanced print settings.

thanks.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Not to be rude, but i'm not sure that you have read the previous posts in this thread.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Hi R. Sinclair. I'm not using a Mac (it's my work PC desktop) but I've had this same problem forever. I finally figured it out on my end - not sure if it's helpful to you. If you go to plot/print in Adobe Acrobat

- click on “advanced” in the bottom left corner

– select “Color Management” on the list to the left

– go to “Color Profile” drop down

– select “Working RGB: sRGB…”

Tada! Again, this worked for PC, not sure about MAC. Hope it helps, though.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Oh woops, I was looking at the first page posts. Looks like this was suggested already in above post. Oh well: I endorse JM's post

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Haven't read the whole thread but just want to chime in and say that you should not follow mali's advice if you intend to do a lot of print work, will make images on the screen and on paper look very different.

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

Most Valued Participant , Jul 26, 2018

So, how did you make it? The original poster was using InDesign CS6. What colour profile do you use? What transparency blend space?

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Re: RGB colors become dull in Acrobat PDFs

This is a document with embedded pictures.  I tried multiple methods of creating the PDF, including export from MS Word, export from OpenOffice, and right-click file to create Adobe PDF.  All results the same: look fine in Chrome, look dull in Acrobat.

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