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Why Adobe is force installing it with no option to prevent the installation at first place?

 

Each platform has standards, Microsoft has some guidelines!

Adobe should provide an option during setup, instead they just fill up our PCs with bloatware!

Don't believe me? Check after Adobe products' install how many services and processes are always running!

 

Solution is simple: Place a CheckBox on initial setup window: "Install C4D"!

Uninstall PS/AE/PR/ME and you'll see many of app files/folders/registry entries are not removed afterwards!

I'm truely appalled...

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Prevent Maxon Cinema 4D Force Install

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Why Adobe is force installing it with no option to prevent the installation at first place?

 

Each platform has standards, Microsoft has some guidelines!

Adobe should provide an option during setup, instead they just fill up our PCs with bloatware!

Don't believe me? Check after Adobe products' install how many services and processes are always running!

 

Solution is simple: Place a CheckBox on initial setup window: "Install C4D"!

Uninstall PS/AE/PR/ME and you'll see many of app files/folders/registry entries are not removed afterwards!

I'm truely appalled...

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I cannot see any problem on this. It has a lot of sense to have an installation for Cinema 4D Lite and Cineware effect as a lot of mographers use C4D as their primary 3D tool for motion graphics and AE for 3D integration and post.

 

Why do you think this is not a good option?

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Thanks, I didn't mean this tool is not good, I mean force installing of ANY 3rd party app/component with any software is NOT a good behavior and is a minus point in terms of development! They just have to give user an option to install it or not! We know that most applications leave footprints on the target system after uninstalling, both in registry and file system! Beside that, some customers won't use that! Thanks though...

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If it wasn't in the user documenation, I could agree with you on it being bad behavior; however, it is in the user documentation and an unistaller is provided.  It would be great if the current installer includes a Customize option that allows users disable unwaned components (we had this prior to the subscription model) rather than leave users to uninstall them after the fact.  If you happen to request that on the Adobe User-Voice pages, be sure to mention it back here and I'll go vote for it.  

 

Although, I hope Adobe expands these partnerships.  It would be amazing to have more products included at the current subscription price:  Boris FX, Red Giant, Video Copilot, Digieffects, RE:Vision, Frischluft, Render Garden - just to name a few.  Any of the 3rd party options listed in the AE documention would be excellent.

 

 

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I agree here with omidsolo it's bad behavior. Think bloatware on phones bad, not evil but the start of shaddy beginnings. Also I don't think it being in the user documentation counts nor does th uninstaller work as it will just re install the program later.

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Having real 3D tightly integrated into After Effects has been a long standing feature request by a significant number of users since the After Effects team introduced the 3D Layer Switch.

 

I'm a little surprised that so many are not aware that this is Adobe responding to the demands of its user base.

 

It was requested.  It's documented.  It functions extremely well.

 

 

 

 

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I agree with having integration with professional 3D-software is useful. I personally use Maya and would like to see further integration with that. However that was not the point of theese posts I believe. Think about it Warren, why would you like to install Cinema 4D? To use Cinema 4D right? So Cinema 4D users will install it. Why include it with an adobe package? It's not like it is included with the adobe subscription. The argument that implementation is good -> therefore we want you to install C4D makes no sense if you think about it. If 3D implementation is good and installing 3D-software along with adobe package = implementation, why stop at C4D? You could also include Maya, 3DS Max, Houdini and while you are at it, rendering is good right? So why not install VRay, Arnold, Redshift and Octane? It's all good right? And if you are not a Maya, 3DS Max or Houdini user you can always uninstall it right? I mean, nobody is forcing anyone to use it! If you want to use the Autodesk Maya Live Link you have to download and install it seperately. Obviously I do not know the workings behind the scenes of Adobe, Autodesk or Maxon. I do not know who is paying who for what. But please, please, listen to what the users have to say instead of trying to defend the things Adobe does. If we wanted the pr-material of how good adobe is with implementation of other software, we would listen to the ads.

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Hi Peter:

 

Thank you for your input.

 

You missed where I agree that there should be a "Custom" option when installing After Effects that allows the user to disable Cinema 4D Lite rather than having to circle back and remove it.

 

If you would also like to see this, or something like it, please head over to the Adobe User Voice page for After Effects.

 

For what it's worth, I could not possibly support removing it entirely.

 

 

 

-Warren

 

 

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Getting to something else in your post, if Adobe can work out Maya Lite, Houdini Lite, VRay Lite, Arnold Lite, Redshift Lite and Octane Lite that would be nothing short of good news for those that work with 3D.

 

Cinema 4D is the 3D application of choice for motion graphics artists.  The tight integration with After Effects is a result of that.

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Hello, where is the uninstaller? I don't even know where it installed itself as I had absolutely no say in it, it just appeared when I turned on my PC. I can't find it in the control panel. I also don't have AE installed currently.

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The answer to most of support request tickets we receive in our company are mentioned in our help files crystal clear!

So we know that most of our customers are not reading the help files!

Imagine we install some 3rd party app without user permit and then respond we mentioned in the help file!

Surely it'll have a negative impact on their trust, as of Adobe, they're powerful, so anything is possible!

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You could manually remove it, but I'm not sure why you would want to.

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Are you sure 100% of After Effects users will absolutely need it?

But I'm sure Adobe got paid well to force pack it with AE!

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The best 3D tool for motion grahpics not only has direct integration with After Effects (via the Cinewave plug-in), but a lite veresion of an application that costs several thousand dollars on its own is included.

 

It's installed in a way that's in keeping with the other 3rd party products that are integrated like MochaAE, Keylight and the Cycore Effects.  

 

I'm not sure what there is to be upset about here.  This is entirely to the benefit of the end users.

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Thanks, I agree with you, we suppose that's the most useful & expensive app on the globe, and Adobe is doing us a favor to bundle it.

But in development > application packaging we have standards, including anything rather than the main app with the installer and set it up without user permission is NOT accepted in ANY resource or reference!

That's what I say! Beside the fact that there are users that don't use it...

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Cinema4D is integrated into After Effects.  Without the lite version of Cinema4D, we would have parital integration.  It's not a separate offering.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad that Cinema 4D is installed, I would want that installed anyway, and I understand the dependency on it being installed, but as a user, I should not have to go on the internet and google keywords to find out how come I suddenly have Cinema4D installed on my machine, don't you agree?

I don't remember installing C4D. I don't remember being notified C4D is being installed.

Why not? Do I not deserve to know what goes on my computer or is Adobe just going to do whatever it wants with my computer? Give me a dialog that it's a dependency on many features. I'll OK it.

Don't install stuff behind my back.

Or was there some prominent mention that it will be installed that I am completely missing?

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I love the arrogance in these forums..

 

Hello, After-Effects user with NO need of Cinema4D! And NO software company owns my PC and tells me what to install and what not! This applies to forced Cinema4D install and the Adobe Suite itself (I have to disable the auto-start services on every update of the suite again, because Adobe and Co think their software is the most important thing for every user and has to run all the time the PC is on. Spoiler: It isn't.)

 

I am a Maya User for 20 years and Adobe stuff for 25, an I use AfterFX and Premiere only for simple stuff and sometimes for cutting VR videos. That's why people invented Addons for example, so people can dis- or enable features on demand. Speeding up start-up and lowering memory footprint. Sometimes also stabilizing running software/the whole machine.

 

This whole thread reminds me of one in the Adobe forum about 15 years ago when someone asked why Adobe products do support multi-screens so badly and do not have customizable keyboard shortcuts. And the first answers where "No one needs more than 1 screen and customized shortcuts! If you do you have a problem with your working pipeline".

 

Mr. Heaton, please read the posts you are replying to, carefully. I used Windows Multi-Screen even in the 90s, and I was talking about ADOBE, not Windows!

 

btw: Cannot reply, the button disappears without any effect after clicking it, even on different browsers!?

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Thank goodness for extended desktop!  It's one of the many things that drew me to the Mac platform back in the 1990s when it was non-existant on Windows.

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Right, each Adobe software installation makes a hell of dll and component in the target system, if you're expert, you must use some tools to REMOVE / DISABLE those craps from your poor Windows after every Adobe installation!

During the past years, this terrible behavior in thei installers got a little better, but not yet pretty standard.

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To all the people saying "I see no problem with this", YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

It is because of people like you that companies like these abuse their terms. Because you don't give a sh**.

You pay people like me to go and fix your computer because it runs like sh**, but still you have the guts to come to a forum and speak your mind.

I barely want the Adobe CC crap consuming my system, now I have to uninstall unwanted software as well?

Even dodgy software installers give you options to decline extra offers, but no, not Adobe. They do what they want. Between my newly installed Windows 10 and Adobe CC, I'm rapidly losing my patience with software companies.

F*** U Maxon, and F*** U Adobe.

And F*** U too Microsoft.

 

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FungalLove:

 

I hear you saying that you are unhappy with Adobe and Maxon and Microsoft.  You do not need to purchase their products.  You have a choice.  

 

 

-Warren

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I'd expect better responses on a professional forum, Warren. 
I've been in the motion graphics industry for many years, however can also attest to not being a C4D user (or any 3d user for that matter). However it is a rather legitimate concern to raise when software is unintentionally installed.

That aside, your 'you do not need to purchase their products' comment is quite unbecoming of someone with a 'community professional' tag. I would say this isn't professional behaivour in the slightest.

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Funny, after editing my initial posting the reply function works again.. facepalm.

 

Aaron, thanks for your comment. Some people like a world without criticism. On my art school I had lots of them. Everything that Apple and Adobe does is always right. You are not allowed to complain!

 

Criticism is a very (!) usefull thing if you want to get things better. And the topic here is NOT a bug or something (no one is perfect, and software will always have its flaws), it is once again a bundle of actions against the user. Just because the company knows they can do what they want (without any competition out there), especially when it comes to privacy issues.

 

Still remember the times when you downloaded some free software for your machine and it was bundled with some anti virus software, realplayer, search bar, chrome browser and other stuff you never wanted to download and install? Did you, Mr. Heaton, like this behavior? Because more is always better?

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Aaron, why on earth would I encourage someone to continue to use software that he or she is so displeased with that he or she will swear openly in a user forum?

 

 

 

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If there's anything on your computer that you don't like, you should remove it - especially if you do not trust the source.  If you do trust the source, there is no harm in leaving it.  For example, I never use iMovie, Pages, nor Numbers; however, I leave them installed and it does not bother me that Apple includes them with macOS in any way whatsoever.

 

I advocate for being able to customize an installation.  

 

Adobe is very open to user input.  This forum is not the place for it.  The Adobe User-voice pages are.  

 

If it's free, it's freeware (not software).

 

We're not talking about bloatware here.  We're talking about industry leading software that is well documented.  So, the asnwer to the original post is, "No, you cannot prevent the install of Maxon Cinema 4D Lite, but you can uninstall it at any time.  See the user documentation for how to do this."

 

 

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1) no one has told you to encourage anybody
2) if you have nothing useful to add just leave it alone. "just uninstall what you do not like" is so poor and so wrong on so many levels I cannot describe it here, at least not at 5am.
3) If I have to read a manual to use an installer.. of a company known for tools for UI/UX development.. wow, just wow
4) Freeware is not Software.. It gets better and better. Is this a hidden camera thing!?
5) World leading was never a quality indicator.
#Don'tArgueWithAFanboy

As you are not able to understand what people are talking and complaining here I stop reacting to you by here.

I am following Adobe for decades now, and this company is known for ignoring user suggestions like no other. A goof example of how to do it right is Allegorithmic. But they are bought by Adobe a few months ago.. The whole community of Allegorithmic is panicking now how long it will take till it is as bad as Adobe's support. Just follow tons of postings in the Allegorithmic forum.

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Are you opposed to the user-voice site?

 

It's great that After Effects and Cinema 4D each win Oscars, right?

 

 

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I couldn't agree more. I don't use the software and when it appeared on my computer after an update I got nervous before i recognized what it was. When prompted to update my installed apps, additional apps should not install themselves, even if they're legitimate. Also as consumers we have a right to express our issues with software that we spend our money on. 

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Cinema4D is integrated into After Effects.   Using the software and reading the user manual reveals this.

 

Adobe is very happy to hear your input.  Go to the Adobe User-Voice page for After Effects and request whatever it is that you feel should happen with the software.

 

My recommendation:  Propose that the installer reveal all components being installed to increase awareness, allowing the user the option to skip installing After Effects.

 

 

 

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Encoder is integrated into AE, I can still choose not to install it. The manual won't change anything. 

 

It is an official Adobe forum, I believe that someone @ Adobe is reading all this. 

jeva

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Adobe Media Encoder has installed as an integrated part of Premiere Pro since 2003.  After Effects integration came later and was a welcome addition,  Media Encoder with AE became necessary with the depreciation of QuickTime as a system driver for time based media. 

 

If you install Premiere Pro or After Effects you will also get Media Encoder.  If for some reason you don't want it, you need to uninstall it afterward.

 

Media Encoder as a stand alone download is fairly recent.  Users asked for it.  Adobe made it available.

 

 

 

 

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I really hope you don't represent Adobe ... I don't need lectures and information about things that don't matter in this case. Adobe simply wants us to try / use C4D and does that by simply installing it on the users' computers without consent. That is simply a digital #metoo case. 

Sorry, but it seems you're simply a paid Adobe guy who can't or won't try to even look at this problem from an other pov.  

jeva

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I think you may have missed where I'm in full agreement that there should be a custom installer that allows one to deselect Cinema4D Lite regardless of the loss of application functionality.  Especially now that it's obvious that user documentation is not enough for some users, it can't hurt to make users more aware of what they're installing.

 

These community pages are meant for application support, not feature requests.  Nor is this a complaint form.  The volunteers who participate have a wealth of knowledge and a little courtesy goes a long way toward getting a range of responses - one of which is likely to lead to a solution or a workaround.

 

The User-Voice pages are for this topic.  It's perfectly reasonable that a topic that belongs there be directed there.

 

It's interesting that you find that this measure up to a Harvy Weinstein level crime.  Of course, that would be a failure to recognize how strong 3D integration is something that After Effects users have asked for almost two decades running.  Also, shouldn't men, in particular, be very, very cautious making such comparisons as to not diminish the seriousness of the #metoo movement?

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For what it's worth, inaccurate statements like "I can still choose not to install it" should be corrected for accuracy.  A user can choose to uninstall Adobe Media Encoder afterward.

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This message is so common, and so false. We do not have a choice. There is not another software that is comparable. There is not an alternative to Adobe that is comparable. They are an absolute monopoly in many fields, and as such they are able to get away with this kind of behavior.  If they had serious competition they wouldn't be so completely careless with how they treat their userbase.

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If anyone knows of a good alternative to adobe I'd sign up today. It's been about 4 years now that I've been learning new programs in the atempt to quit but like you said there aren't any good choices. Now I just uninstall the bloatware they force on us and everytime I just get a little more compliant...

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For anyone who considers Cinema4D Lite to be bloatware (or anything adware or trailware), I recommend you attend the following event:

The Maxon 3D and Motion Design Show

 

It should also be very informative for anyone thinking, "What else can I do with After Effects?"

 

 

 

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This is absurd, I have no use nor want for whatever these programs are, why am I forced to google what the hell they are and now having to spend a million years trying to figure out how to remove it again? This is not how I wanted to spend my work day. I couldn't care less if it's "industry best" or whatever, I've literally never heard of it nor any use of it and it just appeared out of nowhere bloating up my system for no reason. This is bloatware/shovelware, this is just a fact based on how it ended up on my system. Reminds me of how you can't cancel windows updates, which is awesome if you own an AudioBox because it literally bricks your entire audio device.

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It's an integrated part of After Effects and "Cinema 4D Lite" should show up immediately in any web search engine.

 

Yes, it would be wonderful if Creative Cloud Desktop informed you of the installation.

 

After Effects is easily uninstalled if you are not happy with it for any reason.

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Including a high-end 3D application with After Effects is not careless. 

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Dude, people are rightfully angry with these companies using telemetries, transporting our data, installing hidden or 3rd party apps without our permit, etc.

If you don't like, don't buy, ain't the answer to our problem, live in reality man!

Did you know that in Windows 10, your data is sent to Microsoft and you can only disable it using some tool/script, and even using that, you can only stop it in Enterprise/Education edition?

nVidia, Adobe and many others do it as well, I hope that makes you happier now! 🙂

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For the record I have manually uninstalled Maxon Cinema 4D on numerous occasions, and it keeps coming back.

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You can uninstall Cinema 4D Lite; however, you cannot uninstall the Renderer in the Comp Settings nor the menu options.  Those are part of After Effects.

 

It will also still be under Effects > CINEMA 4D > CINEWARE as that is part of After Effects.

 

Comp Settings - Renderer Pop-up MenuComp Settings - Renderer Pop-up MenuFile > New > Maxon C4D Project FileFile > New > Maxon C4D Project FileLayer > New > Maxon C4D Project FileLayer > New > Maxon C4D Project File

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As Cinema 4D is integrated into After Effects, there is no way to prevent its installation; however, Cinema 4D Lite can be uninstalled.

 

For more on Cinema 4D (as well as instructions on how to uninstall Cinema 4D Lite), read this page:

CINEMA 4D and Cineware

https://helpx.adobe.com/after-effects/using/c4d.html

 

Using the CINEMA 4D 3D Renderer in the Composition Settings enables the following features in After Effects: 

  • extruded and beveled text and shapes
  • reflections
  • curved footage layers
  • material overrides on text/shape bevels and sides
  • environment layers (in reflections only)
  • pre-comp depth pass with channel effects

 

The inclusion of Cinema 4D Lite allows you to round-trip your edits using a Live 3D Pipeline.

 

The Cineware effect enables rendering of layers based on CINEMA 4D files directly in After Effects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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C4D does not appear in the CC Desktop app, can't install or uninstall it wher a user is supposed to manage his/her adobe apps. . Let me decide what I want to install, what I need for my work. I am keeping my workstation as clean as possible by only installing apps that I use so my pc runs as smooth as possible.

Adobe, please respect your costumers. 

jeva

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That wold would be a great place for at least the Cinema 4D Lite.  (Again, Adobe User-Voice pages for such feedback).

 

Of course, the CINEMA 4D Renderer and the Cineware plug-in should remain exactly where they are. 

 

 

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I agree with you. Its a lack of respect to not inform or give a option to not install Cinema 4D. In some coutries this is a crime...

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In most cases, making something up in a support forum does nothing to help resolve an issue.

 

 Again, Adode user-voice is the the place to raise a concern about any component of Adobe software as well as anything integrated into Adobe software.

 

 

 

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They are called Personal Computers for a reason, Warren. Ergo if you put something in someone's pocket without asking them, they'll naturally have words to mince, be it a golden nugget or the exact opposite.

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Sure, it would be great of the installer made note of it.  Even so, it doesn't run unless you launch it from within After Effects and it brings an exceptional, long asked for 3D integration.

Ergo, read the user documentation if you're worried about what you're installing on your computer.  Don't wait to discover it after the fact.

 

 

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The implication being that users should read the entirety of user documentation prior to installation of any Adobe products should the company decide to install third party software without my direct consent?

I've been familiar with After Effects for well over a decade. Why would I pre-emptively go through documentation to expect Adobe to install third party software? Which planet does this make sense on?

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In addition to the user manual and the new features that are published on the AE page with each new release, how else would you like to be notified about software features?

 

Whatever it is, no need to respond here.  Go to the Adobe User-Voice Page for AE and post it there.

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Just discovered Cinema 4D on my new laptop. I know exactly what programs I have installed, because I just got this computer. Finding Cinema 4D gave me an intital scare. I really really hate software installing without my knowledge and I am not amused. I quick Google search brought me to this discussion. Glad to know it's not (really) malware, but I will take this up with Adobe.

1. If this is part of other Adobe software, please rename it. Integrete it in your products or rebrand it as an Adobe product.

2. If this is bundled third party software, please stop it. Just STOP. Adobe software is not some free tool where we can expect this sort of behavior, you should respect your paying customers more. This feels like some Internet Explorer toolbar from decades ago.

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For professionals who use After Effects, this is much wanted integration.

 

 

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I 100% WANT this integration Warren, but I sure would have liked to know that I was getting it. Then maybe I might've actually booted it up and played around with it instead of stumbling over it perfectly installed as a separate app on my new machine. You'd do better to acknowledge the hipocrisy in your responses.

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Try to launch it by itself.

 

Or, read the user manual.

 

Honestly.

 

 

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I have. It doesn't address or solve my problem that Adobe doesn't notify me when it installs third-party software to which i have not explicitly consented to be installed.

Based on your advice, I should read the entirety of each software's knowledge base articles prior to installation of anything just in case in a new update has a dependency to required third party software.

Honestly.

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1. The argument "This is in your best interest" is really not taking your customers seriously. This is not a computer managed by Adobe IT department or a children's account. I am perfectly capable of deciding which software to install.

2. "Try to launch it by itself"? Who in their right mind launches a new unknown application that mysteriously self installed on their computer? This is just horrible advice.

 

Dear Warren, I'm not sure if you are trying to help worried Adobe users feel better by telling them it's really not an issue or defend Adobe's standpoint on installing third party software. Either way, it seems like you are trying to help, but by glossing over our (legitimate) concerns, it appears you are just polarising both points of view.

 

There are easy solutions where Adobe could (1) rebrand, (2) inform or (3) hold of on installing Cinema 4D after specific consent. Somehow Adobe chose to 'sneak' unfamiliar software on our systems, and a lot of users feel this is the wrong decision. I hope someone from Adobe reads this and maybe chooses to go a different route in the next update. There are plenty of other (more user friendly) options.

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Hello Sabasn:

 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

 

Cinema 4D Lite will not launch unless you do so from within After Effects.

 

How would you suggest that a software publisher provide information about their software other than the user manual?  Adobe provides the full user manuals free of charge (one does not even have to provide any personal information) for their software here: https://helpx.adobe.com/support.html.  

 

What software have you found that you like to use for motion graphics other than After Effects?

 

 

-Warren

 

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lol man you're pretty out of picture in this regard!

I'm sure you were not a developer or installation designer for near 2 decades right?

So why trying to defend what you're not expert at?

To get started:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/msi/windows-installer-guide

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/msi/windows-installer-best-practices

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/msi/guidelines-for-packages

Altrhough Adobe itself does not follow many since it uses its own crap custom installers!

That's why InstallShield is 2nd to none even for giant companies!

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Omidsolo:

 

I agree that the installer could do more to let the end-user know what After Effects actually is.

 

If anything, hopefully this tread helps those who don't know what they're installing to know what they're installing.

 

Courtesy goes a long way in user threads, Omidsolo.  It's interesting to read a post where someone who is demanding best practices for software installation does not follow best practices for social interaction.

 

 

-Waren

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I think there's some misunderstanding here, it's not your fault that Adobe's devs are dumb! That is a free version of C4D which you can get from other sources and install, even if not installed with AE! Also surely Adobe does not give a ^_^ about our opinions here and there! Be sure of that 🙂

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Without the C4D Lite installation, the C4D rendering engine is not going to work and your app will not be able to do a lot of things that many users would miss. If you want Adobe to stop including 3rd party stuff then all of the CC effects and Mocha AE would be dropped. It's only 700 MB, and even if you never use Cineware in your projects, you would miss the other functionality this bundled program gives AE. 

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C4D does not show up in the CC desktop app, you need to find it in the win  / settings / apps if yo want to uninstall it. Do you really believe that is ok?   Whenever I update AE I get a new C4D lite version, so it's not just 700 MB, it is many times 700 MB depending how often you uninstall that app. And finally: don't be ridicuolus, we are not against 3rd party stuff, we simply want to be in control.  

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Not to mention we've not agreed to an EULA with Maxon.

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1) I've worked with Adobe products for over 15 years on a daily basis (including many evenings and weekends). I'm not trying to brag, but for some reason, I have the feeling that I need to clarify this because you seem to think everyone has just started working with computers yesterday. Not ONCE have I needed C4D for anything. After Effects doesn't need it. At all. Period. It's a separate program and should be treated as such, with a separate installer from the creative cloud app. Preferably a full version instead of Lite and Adobe owned instead of Maxon.

2) I think 700mb's of third party software that was installed without my knowledge or consent, is a lot and very inappropriate. On top of that, on the last AE update, it installed a second instance of C4D, totalling up to 1400mb.

3) Comparrisson with AE plugins are rediculous and I'm sure that doesn't need any elaboration.

4) It has a nice integration with AE, but so what? So does AME, and that has it's separate installer.

 

We're the customers here. Take us seriously.

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I agree that the installer should provide an option for a custom install.

 

The user guide provides instructions on how to uninstall Cinema 4D Lite.  There is absolutely no reason to lose 1.4GB of storage.

 

Since the addition of Adobe Media Encoder, it has always installed with After Effects and it still does.  (You are incorrect.)  AME being available as a stand-alone installer is fairly new.

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You obviously didn't read the After Effects EULA, either.  The inclusion of Cinema 4D Lite is not a secret.

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Adobe should get its act together and be the software supplier that it pretends to be. It's morally wrong to force feed third party software without user consent. I'm paying enough to not have to deal with nonsense like that. It's bloatware, no matter how much you love it.

 

And you should be on our side.

 

Hiding something important like this away in the EULA is no excuse. And even if I would've noticed it, then what? Not install AE? I need it to do my job.

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I could not possibly promote the removal of Cinema 4D Lite, rtijn.  As you've noted, I need it to do my job.

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We're not asking you to promote the removal of C4DL, simply to respect that CONSENT is vital. Nothing about any of your replies has indicated that you understand the importance of consent.

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Same issue for me - I freaked out for a moment wondering WTF had gone on. If I didn't know what C4D was and hadn't connected the dots to Adobe I would have been on red-alert lock down. As it is, this issue has cost me time (and thus money) to deal with, and the emotional trauma of having my PC security violated by a supposedly trusted source.

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