Display source timecode / clip time etc?

Report · Dec 11, 2018

Any way of displaying the source timecode for a clip (e.g. this is ProTools with view/clip set to 'original timestamp')?

Report · Dec 11, 2018

Edit>Preferences>Video. At the bottom of the panel there are several options for you to choose from. Just make sure you've got Audition's time frame rate set correctly...

Report · Dec 12, 2018

Thanks Steve but that

a. only displays if video track is assigned & has media attached

b. only shows 'session' timecode or 'media' timecode - the latter displays an offset to session timecode, rather than source timecode or clip counter from the video clip - so I'm not sure what use it is at all.

c. does not show any audio source timecode info at all

The grab was from one audio track in ProTools and shows the Source In/Out for the clips (i.e. you can see that the clips are butt joined as the out of the first clip matches the in of the second clip.

Here's a bit of a bigger screen grab from stuff recorded time of day:

There's actually a bunch more shoot metadata that PT can display that is useful :

I realise that music editing may have no need for this but if you are working in docs or with spoken word or any kind of reality matching timecodes between tracks or to video is kind of essential.

The avid (media composer) timecode window is also a great way of checking timecode sync at any given point (also displays aux timecodes, durations, clip names - very versatile):

Report · Dec 12, 2018

Trevor_Asq wrote

I realise that music editing may have no need for this but if you are working in docs or with spoken word or any kind of reality matching timecodes between tracks or to video is kind of essential.

Isn't that what Premiere's for? Audition is an audio editor, and the round-trip ideology doesn't involve dealing with clips in it like that at all.

Report · Dec 12, 2018

SteveG(AudioMasters) wrote
Trevor_Asq wrote
I realise that music editing may have no need for this but if you are working in docs or with spoken word or any kind of reality matching timecodes between tracks or to video is kind of essential.
Isn't that what Premiere's for? Audition is an audio editor, and the round-trip ideology doesn't involve dealing with clips in it like that at all.

Thanks for the thoughts.

So how do you guys deal with swapping out production mix tracks for the iso mics? eg similar to ProTools field recorder workflow.

And what if you are dealing with VOs that were recorded with time of day & logged & producer gives you timecodes for various takes?

Or if you are trying to replace a word and have a timecodes transcript so know where all the alternatives might be?

Its only metadata, no-one would have to look at it!

Report · Dec 12, 2018

It's an ideological thing, I think - although if anybody knows better or more, they can amend this...

The idea is that if you are actually editing sound takes for your video, you do that in the video editor. That's where all the time-coded views are, and therefore that's the sensible place to do this. The purpose of adding Audition to the mix at present isn't for editing to take place in it, but for what always used to be known as 'sweetening' to take place. So you can do things like NR, better EQ, add non-sync tracks, even do ADR, and generally remix stuff in a way and with a flexibility that you simply can't do in Premiere. It's not supposed to be an extension of Premiere as an editor - it can't even write a revised sound track back to a video any more (it used to be able to) because that's not the way in which it is currently envisaged to be used.

Now various aspects of this may change over time, but I think that particular aspect's unlikely to, to any significant degree. There are other ways in which many of the things you envisage might develop, and most of this would involve a much closer real-time relationship between Audition and Premiere. Now technically that's possible - and it would allow a load of things to happen that don't at present - but to arrange that level of integration to work reliably is a long-term project, and I believe that's what 'they' are working on.

Report · Dec 13, 2018

SteveG(AudioMasters) wrote
The idea is that if you are actually editing sound takes for your video, you do that in the video editor. That's where all the time-coded views are, and therefore that's the sensible place to do this. The purpose of adding Audition to the mix at present isn't for editing to take place in it, but for what always used to be known as 'sweetening' to take place.

Thanks.

I've come to this as I've been overseeing the technical side of a podcast production. We record and then simultaneously sweeten the raw recording and edit for content (sweetener does not trim, editor does not worry about levels/sound quality as his files are replaced).

We did try doing the editorial in Premiere Pro - but found it much more cumbersome for actually editing audio (responsiveness of timeline, size & clarity of waveforms etc).

Strictly speaking this approach does not 'require' timecode. But when the editor does spot an issue (e.g. profanity at XX:XX) it would be a quicker & more exact process to just send over a source timecode as reference, rather than everyone translate a 'xx from start of original recording' time.

PS I've actually been editing & finishing sound as a video editor for a long time (pre NLE/DAW) so my judgment is obviously clouded by that! We used to have to fight Avid's fear that ProTools would be cannibalised if they ported functionality to Media Composer, now there is quite a bit that has made it across - but ProTools is still far superior for finishing audio.