Does Audition CC have MIDI support?

[HaloEvent]

I've been messing around in Audition CC for a while now, creating tracks with sound samples and such, but I want to get into actual music production now and create my own 100% pure content, for that I need MIDI support to actually use my own instruments in Audition. To cut down to the chase, does Audition offer some sort of MIDI support? Yes, I know what MIDI is.

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[emmrecs · Accepted solution]

Simple answer: No.

If you search this forum for "MIDI" you will find much discussion about this, including at least one thread in which one of the contributors details how he has apparently been able to use MIDI with AA.

Most of us who need MIDI tend to use it in another app, in my case Reaper, and then import the rendered-to-audio MIDI files to Audition for mixing.

[Bob_Howes]

Confirming what emrecs said.  There is no MIDI implementation in Audition CC.

I work the same way as emrecs except I use Ableton as my MIDI app.

[HaloEvent]

Ok, thank you. I assume Reaper is free? If it is not, are you able to recommend any applications that are?

[John Waller]

Reaper is $60

REAPER | Purchase

[Bob_Howes]

Not exactly what you're asking but I got my copy of Ableton 9 Live Lite free when I purchased a USB interface.  It's a pretty scaled down version as a DAW but does all I need as a MIDI Sequencer.

Failing that, you'll have trouble beating the price of Reaper.

[gfxwraps]

Excuse me for rehashing an old post. I'm working in Audition CC and testing out drum sequencers. Disappointed to find there is still no MIDI support in Audition. Seems like a huge, fundamental necessity in an intermediate-pro DAW these days.

So, if I want to use Reaper and a sampler like MT Power Drum Kit 2, how are you guys getting your working mix over from Audition into Reaper? I'm planning to render a rough mix WAV and drop that track into Reaper to have something to play along to when creating drum parts. Is there a better way or is that pretty much it? When the drums are complete, do I then render a WAV for each drum track and bring those into Audition as individual tracks?

Are there any other full featured DAWs that would be an easy transition from Audition? I hate to have to buy something else just because Adobe won't integrate MIDI. What gives? The Reaper workaround is cheap... but that's going to really slow things down.

Thanks!

[emmrecs]

Tracking in Reaper (for its MIDI support) and mixing down in Audition is something I have done.  I believe a number of other users also work this way.  You will need to render the MIDI tracks to wav in Reaper and then use http://www.aatranslator.com.au/ to "convert" the Reaper session and it audio files to a format that AA can read and use.

Yes, it is one further piece of software that you will need to buy but a considerable number of posters to this forum can testify to its efficiency in allowing a pretty seamless transition between the two DAWs.

HTH

[Newme41]

Adobe Audition is actually the previous software Cool Pro Edit. With cool pro Edit this was possible to insert a Midi file. it was great because you could even control Midi equipment and record this simultaneously as in my case. Yamaha Motif Rack Es; and even control your harmonizer. Unfortunately this has been omitted from Adobe Audition and I therefore had to switch to Cakewalk
Adobe Audition may be a very good software, but it lacks the possibility of really professional studio recordings. Who knows, maybe Adobe Audition will introduce the possibility to read and control midi files again . but i don't think so. unfortunately this software lags behind.

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

That's simply not true, and you haven't even got the previous name correct. The original Cool Edit Pro never had any MIDI facilities, and neither is Audition related in any way, other than the way it looks, to it. It was only Cool Edit Pro 2 that had any MIDI facilities at all, and they were replay only. The code has been rewritten from the ground up several times since Cool Edit Pro, the primary rewrite to make it cross-platform. Audition 3 had primitive MIDI recording facilities added, but because Adobe would forever be playing catch-up, they weren't included in the CS rewrite when everything to do with it was, quite correctly, dropped. The reason that it was quite correct is that the system had only ever been declared to be in a beta state, and Adobe would not, at that stage, allow any beta software to be released in a product, and it was not deemed possible within the release schedule to have 'fixed' it.

Whilst Audition is prefectly capable of making fully professional studio recordings, that's not its primary reason for existing. Primarily it is, and always has been, audio editing software. And as we suspected it would at the time that Adobe bought out Syntrillium, it has been more integrated with the rest of the Adobe offerings, and they are primarily visual - that's really what Adobe specialises in, and not music creation, for which there is already more than enough software.

The original MIDI spec was always something of an anachronism; there would be no point in supporting it now with Audition, as there's a more modern spec available, with halfway decent resolution, which the original never had. The best you could hope for would be Rewire to be reintroduced, although it didn't work very well previously.

And this is an old thread - the issue doesn't need rehashing any more, thank you.

[ewan71]

I produce and teach music professionally and I've been using Audition since V1. Before that I was using Cool Edit 96, CEP, CEP 2.0 and 2.1. Your rather dismissive response to the request for some kind of basic MIDI functionality seems to indicate that Audition is no longer for people like me. Sounds like I should be cancelling my personal subscription to CC and my music school should move to Reaper if the requirements of music professionals are not important to Adobe.

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

If by 'dismissive' you mean explaining why it's not there, then you are correct. The simple facts of the matter are that even though some of the developers are quite keen on the idea, it's not going to happen unless the people who own the big numbers of seats (and we're talking hundreds of thousands) actually want it. And primarily, they don't appear to - otherwise something would have happened about it by now. I suspect that there are management reasons for this too - and it has a lot to do with the way music is generally bought in to productions; very rarely is it done in-house, so the in-house software doesn't need to cope with it, does it? I realise that there are all sorts of exceptions to that, but apparently they don't count for anything. And Adobe suits won't let the developers just do what they like - they reckon quite correctly that it's the big ticket holders that pay the wages, and that's what counts.

But yes, if you're a music school then Audition is only of limited use. If you teach radio skills, then it's way more appropriate. Where it does score with music is that it's generally a better platform for mastering on, and if you want to edit audio only, it's head and shoulders above anything that's remotely affordable. But it is clearly not music creation software, unless you're using only acoustic instruments.

So that's what you're up against. And don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger. And if any of this was wrong, incidentally, Audition's product manager would be all over it. And so far, he isn't.

[ewan71]

My university has a few thousand CC licences and I would argue that sound designers / mixers for radio and other media don't just work with audio files these days. Sometimes you need to trigger synthetic sounds or special effects from within VST instruments; the basic 'generate' functions in Audition are not enough. That's why even ProTools has some basic MIDI functionality, and if they can do it in Reaper..

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

Like I said, I realise that there are other use cases. But a couple of thousand seats is a very small fraction of a percentage of the usership; I know roughly what the big seat numbers are, and I was erring rather on the cautious side when I said hundreds of thousands...

[Newme41]

And if it was possible. would I show you a video HOW I controlled my MIDI Apartments with Cool Pro Edit 1.2 and at the same time could record them in at program
; I rather think you underestimated cool pro edit. compared to programs of that time

[Newme41]

en indien je meer wil weten ziehier mijn Email adres
[Mod note - personal email address redacted]in STA voor wat ik zeg
and if you want to know more see my Email address
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I stand for what I say
before sending you an answer, I have tested it quickly. to be sure . because since long ago that I still used cool pro edit
so don't tell me about a misspelled name

[Newme41]

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[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

The name of a file proves nothing. The program was originally called Cool Edit 96, and there was also a Cool Edit 2000, but nothing called Cool Pro Edit. By way of proof, let me show you the cover of the Syntrillium Cool Edit Pro V1 user guide:

So you got it wrong, I'm afraid. And the only MIDI it could do was synchronisation. It did not contain a sequencer, and therefore you couldn't write MIDI files to it. The only version of Audition that you could use as a DAW in the sense that others are talking about was Audition 3.

[Newme41]

Read befor writing please I never write that you can write midi files. I did only write that you can send Midi file to i external equiment abd more then one pkus you can simultaneously use audio interface 

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

This thread has gone quite far enough, and none of us need to read any more about it. The subject is closed.

[Newme41]

Laten we geen zever verkopen. Wat ik daar vertel IS JUIS. en U weet niet waarover je spreekt. Ik heb eerder en vermoeden dat U een van de verkopers ben van deze software . ik hebt 8 jaart lang gewerkt met deze Cool Pro Eit 1.1 en 1.2 dus. do u niet als een Professioneel voor want u heb zelfs gen benul wat  studio software wil zeggen

Let's not sell bullhit. What I say there IS RIGHT. and you don't know what you're talking about. I have previously and suspect that you are one of the vendors of this software. I have worked with this Cool Pro Eit 1.1 and 1.2 for 8 years. don't pretend to be a Professional because you don't even have a clue what studio software wants to say