Using Bridge over a network with others

Would Bridge be a good solution to set up photo library over a network that can be updated and modified with everyone on the network?

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

I am curious about this too. I work in an office where everyone pulls photos from a shared drive. Ideally we'd all be able to search the collection by metadata keywords from our own macs but I'm finding that only the machine that authored the metadata keywords is able to locate/retrieve said files. Am I missing something?

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

I just started researching this and have yet to find if Bridge is the right software for the job. Maybe if you could somehow export your setting and data to a file that people could access along with the photo library it would work.

Have you looked into any other options besides Bridge fior this task?

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

Bridge is just a file browser, not a robust DAM (digital asset manager).

It uses the same structure as the Finder.  If metadata is kept in the central cache rather than written to distributed folders along with the image files, only the local machine will see it.

If a server or a removable disk is involved, Bridge will know nothing of the existence of the files when the server is not online or when the removable drive is disconnected.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

I've added specific keywords to a photo on the network using my

version of Bridge and as a test moved the pic to the desktop of a

coworker's machine. When I do a 'file-info' on it, the keywords are

listed - so they are indeed a part of the file. Problem is, her

version of Bridge isn't able to recognize them. I figured that if her

mac can read the metadata keywords, why can't her copy of Bridge?

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I am not sure why her version of Bridge would not work. I did test changing labels and keywords with another person over the network and the changes are also reflected on his machine.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

Check the settings in Bridge preferences as per the above:

If metadata is kept in the central cache rather than written to distributed folders along with the image files, only the local machine will see it.

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What setting do I need to engage? I've tried pointing multiple copies

of bridge throughout the office to a central cache folder on the

shared drive but they still won't recognize keywords that were

authored/revised by other users.

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I am using photos that are on the server and then applying keywords to them over the network. Keywords are never modified locally and then saved back to the server.

I am using the default settings also.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

RobPotter wrote:

I've tried pointing multiple copies 

of bridge throughout the office to a central cache folder on the 

shared drive but they still won't recognize keywords that were 

authored/revised by other users.

Yikes!   I'm not surprised that doesn't work!

Sorry, I have to leave immediately and don't have time to elaborate.  Will reply much later tonight.

In the mean time, I'll just insert some boilerplate text in the following message.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

This is the boilerplate text I use in connection to saving to a network (please NOTE the part where it explains that normally, it does work, but that it is impossible to troubleshoot someone else's network remotely, and that's why it's not supported by Adobe):

If you are opening files over a network or saving them to a network server, please cease and desist immediately in the event you are currently experiencing problems with one or more files. Working across a network is not supported.


See: 

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/322391.html

  Copy the CLOSED file from your server to your local hard disk, work on it, save it again to your local hard disk, close it, and copy the closed file back to the server.
 
     Of course, the fact that Adobe does not support working across a network does not necessarily mean it won't work.   It should.

    Adobe's position is that there are too many variables in a network environment for them to guarantee that everything will work correctly in every network, especially given the fact that if something does not work properly, it's probably the network's fault, and Adobe has no way of troubleshooting your network.

  If you can't work locally, you are on your own, and if something happens, you're on your own. If you must work from a server, make sure your network administrator is a competent professional.

When problems arise, a lot of valuable work can be lost.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

McPhotoman,

Your post is totally blank, as is the case with most messages sent to the forum by email.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

EEeeewww. Sorry. I shall not E-mail any forum again.

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This thing with blank email posts is unique to this lousy Jive software that "powers" these Adobe forums. 

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

It's been over six months now since we started using Bridge CS4 to share a central image library among a dozen designers and writers in our organization -- and it works. To date I've added more than 120,000 images to the library and more are added each month. You can track the details of what we did and are doing -- as well as catch the latest updates on my blog: http://imagearchivist.blogspot.com/

The simple reality is, you can do this.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

Simply doing a search does nothing for us.  Bridge just comes up empty in a matter of seconds.  Am i doing something wrong?  or is it the fact that we are using CS3?

Jd

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

You should the use find command itself (Edit/Find or cmd+F) and not the

quick search option in the bridge window and you also must have checked the

option to include non indexed files when using this find menu.

It might be that it is already indexed but to be honest I have no idea or

experience with network set up.

One thing is for sure, the upgrade to CS4 is a very good investment, Bridge

alone is worth it, this version is far better, faster and more stable then

the CS3 edition.

You can always download a trial version and test it for 30 days

Simply doing a search does nothing for us.  Bridge just comes up empty in a

matter of seconds.  Am i doing something wrong?  or is it the fact that we are

using CS3?

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

I was doing a search with the Find command, and i did tell it to look in folders that were not already indexed.  but it still came up with nothing.  however, i was not the one to add the keywords.  my co-worker was able to perform a search and come up with the proper responses without a problem, and he was the one who applied the keywords.  i will try again tomorrow and see what happens.

thank you for all of the help!

Jd

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

Exactly how is your access to the image library configured? In other words, what is the nature of your network and how do you/everyone in your department access it?

BTW, Omke is right: upgrade to CS4.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

I feel like i have totally hijacked this thread - let me know if i should start a new one!

Ok, so...Bridge is currently indexing.  I don't know what i did differently today, but it is definitely working.

In answer to the questions about our image library and network:

Our image library is on it's own network drive.  it has 8 main folders that each have 16 or more subfolders with each subfolder containing our images (i set up the heierarchy for my own sanity several years ago).  we are keeping the images sorted by year, so next year there will be an additional main folder. i don't know if any of that really makes a difference...

In regards to the network, one of our IT guys has informed me that:

The network is a Windows2003 domain.  The images are stored on a Windows 2003 server and accessed through a CIFS share. The Mac user is authenticated against the Windows Active Directory.

Also, we are running into a problem - My boss and I work on G5's running Tiger 10.4.11, and my coworker works on a G4 running the same operating system.  we all have CS3. however, the G4 cannot run CS4.  if we were to purchase a new computer for my coworker, would we then face problems due to the different OS's?

Jd

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Jd_Johnson8 wrote:

Also, we are running into a problem -  my coworker works on a G4 running the same operating system.  we all have CS3. however, the G4 cannot run CS4. 

Depending on the specs of the G4, CS4 will run fine on that older computer.  I have been running CS4 on my G4, which does have an updated video card, without a single hitch.  The fact that Adobe chooses not to support that configuration does not mean it won't work.  As I said, it works flawlessly on my G4 and I do have the OpenGL functions.

Without the upgraded card, it would still run fine, but the OpenGL functions would not be available.  That's all.

If you search this forum, you will find references to Bridge 2.x (CS3) being the worst application ever released by any major software vendor.  Bridge 3.x in CS4 is better.

Wo Tai Lao Le

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

I feel like i have totally hijacked this thread - let me know if i should

start a new one!

It is still a very interesting thread!

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Tai Lao wrote:

If you search this forum, you will find references to Bridge 2.x (CS3) being the worst application ever released by any major software vendor.  Bridge 3.x in CS4 is better.

Here is an example of the above:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2120849#2120849

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

like a few others in this thread, at my office we're investigating using Bridge CS4 as an image library. (We tested ACDSee and it was roundly hated for being buggy, although this may have to do with our SOE).

It's a large corporate environment, we're on PCs, and most users don't have admin rights. However, as my team of 8 has CS4 suite, we've "discovered" Bridge can be used for this. Our images are stored on a shared network drive that we all have read/write access to.

Just wondering how people here manage the following:

1) Making keywords "global" so all users will see them

2) Quality control of the keyword list (e.g I tag an image "NYC" but someone else tags it "New York City" - my search won't find it).

3) Folder structure  - do we go "flat", or doesn't it not really matter?

Our approach at this stage is:

  • we will have centrally-managed set of keywords to start off with
  • when we go live each user will import the keyword list and index the library on first use
  • we'll then go through the process of tagging items using the keywords on the list
  • at a set interval (e.g. monthly), our library manager will quality-check the keyword list, clean it up, and then export to a central file
  • all users will then re-import the cleaned list

Would love to hear any thoughts from the thread on how we're going about it.

Thanks!

Marc

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

Marc,

I'm the digital image librarian for a large organization and helped to create a central image image library last summer. Like you we tested a variety of tools and eventually settled on Bridge CS4.

BTW, during that period I began blogging our experience so if you're interested you can read more details at: http://imagearchivist.blogspot.com/

Today our library holds some 120,000 images, accessible by more than a dozen designers and writers.  BUT -- and this is a critical BUT -- I'm the only one who can add or delete keywords and indeed any metadata (each image is tagged with robust bits of metadata in fact).

In order to establish an effective keywording strategy during the initial phases of the library's development our department held numerous meetings of designers and writers where we hammered out the initial keyword list -- a list that continues to evolve but under carefully controlled conditions. I also created more than a dozen templates in Bridge which serve as a wonderful way to add plenty of metadata -- including keywords of course -- easily and quickly. Letting others tinker with that is just begging for trouble.

This approach eliminates the potential problems that can arise when too many people have the ability to modify keywords or the metadata in general. ("Too many cooks stirring the pot.")

It also eliminates the need to continually update and "share" keyword lists (via import/export features).  Anyone with access to the library (also carefully controlled within the organization via hardware/software permissions on the server itself) simply has to  enter the relevant search criteria and then filter the search results. This leaves the keywording panel unnecessary for most users.

So -- three caveats:

1. Controlled access to the metadata
2. Establish a protocol for continually reindexing each machine's cache
3. Use the filter modules

You're on new ground here but the final word is this works. How long until you reach the magical ceiling of what Bridge can handle, well that's anybody's guess right now -- not even Adobe seems to know the answer to that one.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

Our network (PCs and Macs) includes people using Bridge CS2, CS3 and CS4 - all of whom can (once a drive/folder is indexed) read and write keywords that will be mutually recognized. Sometimes a search can be slow, depending on how many subfolders Bridge needs to comb through, but eventually the required objects are found. I'm wondering if moving our entire photo collection to a single folder would speed things up.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

Actually, Rob, we found the opposite to be true.

Last summer as we were testing Bridge's various caching and searching features as preparation in launching our central image library we, too, thought that a single folder structure would be the way to go. After all, what's the point of all those folders when your're searching via metadata, right?

Well, we discovered that somewhere between 5,000 and 8,000 files Bridge just couldn't/wouldn't index the folder. After running a series of tests on several Macs (no windows) running a the latest version of OS 10.x.x we concluded that the top end number of files for a folder was at about 3,000. beyond that things started to slow and, as noted above once we reached the 5-8k levels they stalled altogther (in some cases crashing Bridge).

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

That's good to know. I guess I'll scrap the single folder idea.

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Re: Using Bridge over a network with others

Adobe Employee , Oct 15, 2018

Hi All,

We have released a new version of Adobe Bridge (CC 2019) on 15th October 2018. The new version build number is 9.0.0.204. This version is available to install via Adobe Creative Cloud application.

This Bridge update contains support for centrally managing the Adobe Bridge cache (https://helpx.adobe.com/bridge/using/centrally-manage-bridge-cache.html).

Please check following link to know about all new features in Adobe Bridge CC 2019 - https://helpx.adobe.com/bridge/using/whats-new.html

You may need to update the Creative Cloud application and restart your computer to see the updated installer.

Thanks,

Varun Varshney

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