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P: Graduated filter alignment issue

Community Beginner ,
May 20, 2017 May 20, 2017

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Grad filter loses alignment when dragged across image when using 'hand' icon. The alignment issue appears to increase if the 'hand' icon is grabbed off-center in the image. The alignment error appears to be in a small arc with the centre off the side moving according to where the handle is grabbed. I.e.; if the handle is grabbed in the center(ish) the misalignment is small, increasing as the grabbed position moves towards an edge of the image. The issue is inconsistent but repeatable.

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Adobe Employee , Aug 03, 2017 Aug 03, 2017
The engineering team has let us know that this behavior is expected whenever a there is an interaction between warps (including lens profiles, manual distortion, Horizontal/Vertical sliders in the Transform panel, etc.) and local corrections.  Lightroom will always attempt to make a best fit on those local corrections but cannot make a perfect application on warped images. 

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Adobe Employee ,
May 22, 2017 May 22, 2017

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Harvey,

I am not understanding the issue from this description.  Any possibility you can post a screen grab or video that illustrates the issue?
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
May 24, 2017 May 24, 2017

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Hi Rikk,

Thx for looking into this.

Yes, I can do that... I've just posted a clip to youtube for you to check out.

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Adobe Employee ,
May 24, 2017 May 24, 2017

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Can you send me a link?
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
May 24, 2017 May 24, 2017

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Hi Rikk, 

I thought the link was in my earlier reply, maybe I messed that up.  Here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oZMOzjU34

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Adobe Employee ,
May 24, 2017 May 24, 2017

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I watched the video and see what you are talking about however I cannot duplicate it on my machine on Mac or Windows. 

Have you tried a preference reset yet? Sometimes weirdness is fixed that way. 
Reset Procedure:

1. Close Lightroom.
2. Hold down [Alt/Opt]+[Shift] while restarting Lightroom. 
3. Overwrite the Preferences when prompted by the dialog.
4. Close Lightroom.
5. Restart Lightroom.

Does the behavior continue after resetting the preferences?
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
May 24, 2017 May 24, 2017

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Hi Rikk,

No change after a reset and restart. But expanding on that idea, I just created a new catalog, imported an image and there was no problem with the grad. Does that point to something in the catalog?

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Adobe Employee ,
May 24, 2017 May 24, 2017

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Does it occur on every image in the catalog or just a few?
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
May 25, 2017 May 25, 2017

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Hi Rikk,

It occurs on every image other than some very old and small jpgs.

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Adobe Employee ,
May 25, 2017 May 25, 2017

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I am not sure how to answer your question, Harvey.  If you take on image that exhibits the wonky Graduated Filter and export it as a catalog, does it behave correctly? 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
May 25, 2017 May 25, 2017

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Hi Rikk,

I tried the export on a single image and there was no alignment error. I guess that's not a comprehensive test but it's yet another pointer to some catalog related issue. So I guess the question is what now?

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Adobe Employee ,
May 26, 2017 May 26, 2017

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I have asked an engineer to view your video. I am waiting for a response. 

Do the actual gradients applied 'wobble' too or just the hinting lines?
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Mentor ,
May 26, 2017 May 26, 2017

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Is there any lens correction or upright being applied to the images?

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Community Beginner ,
May 26, 2017 May 26, 2017

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Hi Eartho,

Thanks for that suggestion... the issue is corrected when no lens correction is applied.

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Community Beginner ,
May 26, 2017 May 26, 2017

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Rikk,

The 'wobble" affects the gradient but as you'll see from the previous post, lens correction is involved in the cause.

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Adobe Employee ,
May 28, 2017 May 28, 2017

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Does it happen for all lenses or only a particular lens?
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Enthusiast ,
May 28, 2017 May 28, 2017

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I am also able to replicate this.
Also confirmed that disabling lens correction is a workaround for the 'wobble'.

I initially could not replicate this but late last night I found that it is as you just asked: it seems that it only affects specific lens profiles? here are the Nikon ones I tested:
70-200 2.8 G ED VRII - not affected
24-70 2.8G ED - not affected
18-200 f/3.5-5.6  grad filter wobbles with lens correction on
35mm f/1.8 - grad filter wobbles with lens correction on
50mm f/1.8 - not affected

Using LR CC2015.10.1 on Win7

-bh

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Enthusiast ,
May 28, 2017 May 28, 2017

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Update: same grad filter wobble is present for the 18-200 lens using LR CC2015.8 on my Windows 10 laptop,
70-200 lens is unaffected.
 (I just have those two lenses in current catalog on the laptop, it is recently created with only 8 photos total)

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Adobe Employee ,
May 29, 2017 May 29, 2017

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Camera Manufacturer?
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Enthusiast ,
May 29, 2017 May 29, 2017

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It affects my DX Nikon lenses (18-200mm & 35 f1.8) on Nikon D7000 and D500 the most.

As I was testing again to determine which camera bodies were affected I got some photos taken with the 70-200mm on D750 and D500 to show the wobble.  It is not as pronounced, sometimes unnoticeable until you move the hinting lines to the top or bottom of the photo and see they are no longer straight across.

Also seems photo content also plays some role in this? ... is the 'upright' function is messing around with grad filter after you use the shift key to level the filter? ( I have Upright set to OFF in Lightroom)
(i.e with the 70-200 lens saw no affect on photo of a flower closeup but it does affect photo of football player with seating/buildings in background ( or would it just be the focal length lens correction.)

In reviewing Harvey's video it looks like he is using a Nikon camera too LR shows it is a .NEF file with 70-200 not sure of the lens version/camera body



Steps to reproduce:
Enable lens correction
Add grad filter to photo while holding shift key.
Move the filter pin up/down on photo while also moving the PIN left or right.
   The hinting lines change angle depending on how far off center the PIN is moved.

Affects Nikon DX lens on Nikon DX bodies the most  for me.
Have not tried any other photos taken by other cameras/persons within my catalog yet.

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Adobe Employee ,
May 30, 2017 May 30, 2017

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Could I talk one of you into posting a file with the weird behavior for me to examine? 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
May 30, 2017 May 30, 2017

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Hi Rick, sorry for the slow response -it's work cycles. Answering the various questions; I'm using a Nikon D810 previously a D800, images from both are affected and I'm reasonably sure that older images taken with a Canon are also affected but I will check this out more thoroughly and confirm with you. Affected lenses include the Nikkor AFS 24-120, AFS 14 -24 and I can neither confirm or deny if others are affected, but I'll test that and advise.

Like Bruce, sometimes it's a very subtle shift but seems to increase over time.

Happy to post a file but It will have to be dropbox to cope with the size unless you have another option?

Regards,

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Adobe Employee ,
May 30, 2017 May 30, 2017

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Dropbox is fine. 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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Community Beginner ,
May 31, 2017 May 31, 2017

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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1yu40lbygvojuco/AAARNQJ1uwX7knmx4rsNYbtWa?dl=0

Rikk here's the dropbox link for the catalog with one image. The alignment issue will happen when lens correction is applied.

I checked images in my catalog for my Fuji EX1 and they are fine because they have no lens correction applied. 

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Adobe Employee ,
May 31, 2017 May 31, 2017

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Thanks Harvey,

I've tested and see the same thing here on your file - in Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw.  I have asked the engineering team to chime in on the behavior. Stand by. 
Rikk Flohr - Customer Advocacy: Adobe Photography Products

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New Here ,
Jun 05, 2017 Jun 05, 2017

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I have similar problems. It happens with iPhone images too. In general I find the grad filter to have become very jittery and harder to control than before, with some unexpected behaviour like suddenly compacting the grad filter to a very close gap, turning it vertically instead of horizontally, etc. So far I see this with all cameras and lenses, common fact is that I always have lens correction ON. So there must have been some change to the code, since it worked much more reliably in previous versions of LR.

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