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Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Greetings Everyone and Thanks in advance for your help,

Unable to open the images with CS3 with 5D Mark II camera,  I installed Camera Raw 5.3, 5.2. 4.6 in an effort to get to read the 5D Mark II format, but CS3 doesn't seem to support, I ran across somewhere about converting to DNG and something of that sort, Has anybody done anything like this before.

We would like to stay with CS3, and still be able to use our new camera. Again thanks a lot for your help.

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PG

You indicated that you have tried three different versions of camera raw.  The only version you want is ACR 4.6.  The 5.x are of no value whatsoever to you.  They are only compatible with Photoshop CS4.  You need to remove them from your system.  Then, you need to make sure that ACR 4.6 is properly installed.  It has to go in the exact folder specified in the instructions, and it cannot be anywhere else.  That is the only thing I can think of for you to look at.

In reading your question again, I need clarification.  Are you expecting Photoshop to open automatically when the DNG converter finishes?  That isn't going to happen.  You need to open Bridge and navigate to the folder where the DNG files were created.  The thumbnails should appear, and you should be able to work with those DNG files just like any other raw file.

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Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Greetings Everyone and Thanks in advance for your help,

Unable to open the images with CS3 with 5D Mark II camera,  I installed Camera Raw 5.3, 5.2. 4.6 in an effort to get to read the 5D Mark II format, but CS3 doesn't seem to support, I ran across somewhere about converting to DNG and something of that sort, Has anybody done anything like this before.

We would like to stay with CS3, and still be able to use our new camera. Again thanks a lot for your help.

Best Regards

PG

You indicated that you have tried three different versions of camera raw.  The only version you want is ACR 4.6.  The 5.x are of no value whatsoever to you.  They are only compatible with Photoshop CS4.  You need to remove them from your system.  Then, you need to make sure that ACR 4.6 is properly installed.  It has to go in the exact folder specified in the instructions, and it cannot be anywhere else.  That is the only thing I can think of for you to look at.

In reading your question again, I need clarification.  Are you expecting Photoshop to open automatically when the DNG converter finishes?  That isn't going to happen.  You need to open Bridge and navigate to the folder where the DNG files were created.  The thumbnails should appear, and you should be able to work with those DNG files just like any other raw file.

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The last version of Camera Raw that will work with Photoshop CS3 is ACR 4.6.  If your camera is not supported in that version then you need to download the latest version of the DNG converter.  This program is free, and is an independent freestanding program.  It will create DNG (Digital Negative) copies of your raw images.  These images will contain all of the original raw data, and you can do anything to those DNG files that you can do to any raw file.  And you can expect identical results.  All of the metadata will be stored in the header section of the DNG file; there will not be any XMP sidecar files.

You are going to want to download the camera profiles and install them.  There is an installation package for those profiles included with the download package for ACR 5.2.  You cannot use the ACR plug-in, but ACR 4.6 will utilize the camera profiles.

If you decide to use the DNG converter, you want the latest version.  It creates DNG files that are compatible with all versions of Camera Raw since version 2.4.  If this workflow is not acceptable, then it will be necessary for you to upgrade Photoshop CS4.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Hi Jim,

Thanks for suggesting me to get the DNG converter, I have installed and the same, and able to convert CR2 files to DNG, but photoshop doesn't seem to open, is there something else I should be doing  ?

Thanks again

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You indicated that you have tried three different versions of camera raw.  The only version you want is ACR 4.6.  The 5.x are of no value whatsoever to you.  They are only compatible with Photoshop CS4.  You need to remove them from your system.  Then, you need to make sure that ACR 4.6 is properly installed.  It has to go in the exact folder specified in the instructions, and it cannot be anywhere else.  That is the only thing I can think of for you to look at.

In reading your question again, I need clarification.  Are you expecting Photoshop to open automatically when the DNG converter finishes?  That isn't going to happen.  You need to open Bridge and navigate to the folder where the DNG files were created.  The thumbnails should appear, and you should be able to work with those DNG files just like any other raw file.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

I have the new 5D also, I tried doing the conversion & it would not complete the task.  I don't know if it's the program or the files that are the problem.  I shot raw & other raw files have downloaded ok.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

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I have the new 5D also, I tried doing the conversion & it would not complete the task.  I don't know if it's the program or the files that are the problem.  I shot raw & other raw files have downloaded ok.

What OS are you using?
What version of Photoshop?
What version of ACR?

What version of the DNG converter are you using?

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

4cbg,

Your post is totally blank, as are most posts attempted through email to these forums.

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4cbjg,

Again another blank post.  Trying to post through email is futile.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

4cbg,

Your messages are not coming through.  So I will try to give you a generic answer that might help you.  Assuming you are working on Photoshop CS3.  First of all, make sure you have correctly installed ACR 3.7.  If your camera is not supported in that version than you need to download the latest version of the DNG converter.  Yes, the latest version.  It is not necessary to match the DNG converter version number with your ACR version.  The DNG converter will create the DNG files that are compatible with all versions of ACR, cleared back to version 2.4.  If you have the latest version of the DNG converter, and you still cannot create DNG files, then your camera is not yet supported and you will have to wait for another update.  I hope this give you some idea is to work with.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

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4cbg,

…Assuming you are working on Photoshop CS3.  First of all, make sure you have correctly installed ACR 3.7.

Nope.  Jim surely meant to say ACR 4.6, not 3.7.  The acr 3.x series works with CS2, not with CS3.   For CS3, you definitely want ACR 4.6.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

My apologies.  For some reason I was thinking Photoshop CS2.  It must be one of those legendary senior moments.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Use dng converter or upgrade to CS4 is indeed an answer - but not really an acceptable one if you ask me. As someone who invested a lot of money on buying CS4 I'm totally annoyed with the fact that so SOON Adobe is not supporting one little bit of update - the new 5d Mark II.

I guess this is how they make their money. Now I am forced to buy either an upgrade to CS4 (which I can't afford, just for this one issue), use DNG converter (which is indeed a workflow I cannot accept) or buy PS4 upgrade (not sure if I can even do that, as a CS3 owner). Unfortunately my experience with Adobe's product support after upgrading has been dire to say the least - so I"m looking into an alternative. This is how Adobe looses clients - and I know a lot of people who think the same.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Anne, unfortunately the timing of the 5D II's release (and many of the

cameras that came out in Photokina 2008) was such that it came out soon

after development on CS3 had ended. BTW, I'm assuming in your post that it

was a typo on your part (e.g., I think you meant to say "invested a lot of

money on buying CS3" instead of "CS4").

That said, as you've pointed out, you really do have a couple of choices

with regards to an Adobe-based workflow, one of which costs nothing but

takes more time (convert to DNG) and another which costs something but takes

less time (upgrade to CS4). Clearly only you can decide which side of the

time/money tradeoff makes sense to you.

Eric

Use dng converter or upgrade to CS4 is indeed an answer - but not really an

acceptable one if you ask me. As someone who invested a lot of money on buying

CS4 I'm totally annoyed with the fact that so SOON Adobe is not supporting one

little bit of update - the new 5d Mark II.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Anne,

In the first place, the DNG workflow really isn't that bad.  You have to download your images anyway, just use the DNG converter to do that download.  But you don't even have to do that.  If I read your message correctly, you have already purchased Photoshop CS4.  All you have to do is download the FREE Camera Raw update that is available from the Adobe download site.  Or am I misunderstanding what you wrote?  In either case there are workable solutions.  And ranting about the situation isn't going to change anything.  When a new version of Photoshop is released, CS3 or CS4, etc., all support for the old version (including Camera Raw for that version) ceases.  But if you have purchased CS4 then you are entitled to free updates of all the 5.x versions of Camera Raw.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

For some reasons many users don't want to upgrade from CS3 to CS4, the first one is very simple: many photographic plugins don't work with CS4. So mayby the point of adobe decision looks reasonable, but in result of that, we lose much more money than they earn. We should have much deeper pocket than it looks in adobe upgrade offer.

And the next point is much more frustrating, even if i pay Adobe for upgarde I stiil can't use CS3  with EOS 5 mark II. Maybe they should make paid upgrades of Camera RAW?

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

& Please! DNG FREE converter is not the answer, Photoshop CS 3 with Bridge is a good workplace, & with plugins much better then CS4. I've learned how to use it fast, DNG converter "slows my motion" & changing my mind, and ofcourse, takes my time & making me nervous. I'm sure you know what i meen. So both solutions (upgrade & converter) makes me rather sad.

So please consider paid upgrade of Camera Raw dear ADOBE.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

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& Please! DNG FREE converter is not the answer, Photoshop CS 3 with Bridge is a good workplace, & with plugins much better then CS4. I've learned how to use it fast, DNG converter "slows my motion" & changing my mind, and ofcourse, takes my time & making me nervous. I'm sure you know what i meen. So both solutions (upgrade & converter) makes me rather sad.

So please consider paid upgrade of Camera Raw dear ADOBE.

I disagree with you about the DNG converter.  Look, you have to download your images anyway.  All you have to do is use the DNG converter to download your raw images, converting them in the process.  Then, the Photoshop/Bridge workflow is precisely the same.  I agree that it would be nice to be able to pay a fee to be able to use the new ACR with older versions of Photoshop.  But the policy held by Adobe is long-standing, and we knew what we were getting into from the beginning.  If you didn't know, it isn't Adobe's fault.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Your answer looks good, but only on paper, If you have to operate on few cameras & the only what you to do is drag & drop folder to your HDD structures I call it workplace. But when you must remember that some files you have to convert & some files not & you have to remember about oryginal CR2, and you have to place somewere CR2s & DNGs, and mayby somethig else in few month (if one of your photographer buy new camera) I call it mess.

I don't blame Adobe, I ask them to use few programer to make more money. Mayby it is good time to ask how many people works on CS2/CS3 & use third party converters, This is my point.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

In my opinion, you are making a bigger deal out of it than it really is.  But if you can not handle it, you can't.  I was given Lightroom 2.0 as a Christmas gift last year.  I use it in conjunction with Photoshop CS3 at home, and I get along just fine.  I have an older model, the Nikon D40, so I don't have to worry about support because it is already there.  Occasionally a friend will ask me to work on an image that isn't supported and I have to turn to the DNG converter.  It's not that big of a deal.  Especially if you don't want to or cannot upgrade to the latest version of Photoshop.

But as you indicated earlier, it would be nice if Adobe would let us pay a fee to be able to use the latest version of ACR.  One of the arguments I have read against that is that the program architecture changes so drastically that it is impossible to make ACR compatible with older versions.  I don't buy that argument because they do it with Photoshop Elements.  It's just one of those thorns in the side that I guess we should all pluck out and forget about because it isn't going to change, as far as I know

Unfortunately, until the camera companies decide to quit jerking their customer base around and settle on a common format, we are going to have to know enough about our software to know how to handle files from different manufacturers and different models.  It's a bigger problem than just Adobe.  The only way to settle the issue would be for everyone to just stop buying cameras until they agree to a common format.  But that is never going to happen.  Many businesses have the philosophy of providing what the customer wants.  That is not the case with the different camera manufacturers.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

If you have to convert images all the time, it DOES become an unacceptable workflow. Of course, I do also realize that this whole issue is not really an Adobe problem, but equally one caused by Canon!

But I agree with previous suggestions: Adobe, we would gladly pay for a RAW upgrade!!! You can make us happy customers and SELL more software!

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

I must ask this question.  Why is the DNG converter such an unacceptable workflow.  If you are going to work on your images on computer they have to be downloaded.  Just use the DNG converter to do the download.  Then, from that point forward, the workflow is the same.

Now I admit that I don't use DNG because I don't have to.  But I still think those of you who complain about an unacceptable workflow are dwelling on something that isn't really there.  You have two choices.  Upgrade, or make a slight modification in your workflow.  But that modification doesn't make the workflow unacceptable in my opinion.  I'm not trying to win anyone over.  I just don't think you have really thought through the process.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Lightroom or converter are good if you want to convert 500 pictures for a friend.

Jim please, I have 2TB of pictures (in a year), made by 11 photographers with 7 cameras. I've bought (18 month ago) industry standard software solution to manage & edit them, I've bought kilos of plugins wich are very efficient & helpful in my work. What I want is paid (reasonably priced) support for that, consider that even if my plugins will work with CS 4 (remember that many of them not) I will have to pay for all plugin upgrades. If you add it (if I can make little extrapolation) it will be about 1100 Euros for a Camera RAW update.

As you said - it will be nice.

But mayby you have absolutely right: if I can not handle it, I can't & Adobe will not help me

& please Jim, if you speak about liability of "camera companies" consider that small software companies makes "converting & small files managment" for max 100$ @ edition.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

You bought industry-standard software 18 months ago.  That is a lifetime in software today.  I know, it's expensive, it's frustrating, it's reality.  I'm not going to "stir the pot" in this discussion anymore.  I guess we will all do what we have to do.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

I have Leopard two years & I am supported. More difficult is to suport tiger, XP or office 2003 but they do it. I know Jim that you wan't win discusion at any price, so ok you win .

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

*you want  (sorry)

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You said "I know, it's expensive, it's frustrating, it's reality".

Yes I've noticed that you can't help me & other CS3 users. But we are in a larger community. So I have a request to Adobe, not to forum master-blaster, Perhaps they'll think about it, hm? Let's hope. Maybe we can wait for a solution and stop looking for third party converters or waiting for hipothethic Apple "Aperture PRO" Maybe Adobe will realize that we can't use CS4 until new plugins are ready?

I will tell you more, I would buy full PS CS4 IF  i can open pictures from Bridge CS 4 to Photoshop CS3.

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Uhhuh

jaszewicz wrote:

I've bought (18 month ago) industry standard software solution to manage & edit them, I've bought kilos of plugins wich are very efficient & helpful in my work. What I want is paid (reasonably priced) support for that, consider that even if my plugins will work with CS 4 (remember that many of them not) I will have to pay for all plugin upgrades. If you add it (if I can make little extrapolation) it will be about 1100 Euros for a Camera RAW update.

Uh huh. . .is this a hobby for you? If you are working professionally, the $199 upgrade for CS4 (depending on where you live) is a drop in the bucket of the cost of doing business these days. I find it utterly ironic that photographers who live and die by licensing intellectual property–their copyrighted images–have so little regard for the IP of other people...

You "bought" CS3 18 months ago...so just how long should Adobe support your product considering they no longer sell it?

You and other who complain that new cameras aren't supported are really engaged in the ultimate disrespect for intellectual property–software...you are completely willing to buy new cameras/hardware because hey, it's new and better, right? But when you find out that software that hasn't even been sold for almost 8 months is no longer supported, they get bent out of shape that they may have to actually "buy" an upgrade to get complete compatibility.

Don't you see the utter irony here? People are perfect happy spending money on physical, tangible property but Pi$$&Moan™ at the prospect of having to pay for an upgrade of intellectual property...

Personally as a current customer using Photoshop CS4, I'm perfectly happy that Adobe has the policy of only supporting the current shipping software. That means that new versions of Camera Raw will be updated and in the case of 5.0>5.2 have substantial improvements included...the thought of engineers wasting time having to update old code for compatibility of old products for new cameras does not interest me in the least. I would much rather that the engineers spend time and resources doing new updates and upgrades and future versions.

I would have to say that somebody using Camera Raw 4.6 is leaving image quality on the table compared to Camera raw 5.3. If you choose _NOT_ to upgrade for any reason, that's your choice. Just understand you are cutting yourself short, professionally.

The other thing I would point out is that if you've bought plug-ins that worked in CS3 that aren't supported yet in CS4, I would suggest you go jump down the plug-in developers' throats...and if you have to pay for the CS3 to CS4 update, I would question your judgement on the plug-ins you've bought.

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> find it utterly ironic that photographers who live and die by licensing intellectual property–their copyrighted images–have so little regard for the IP of other people...

1. You try to tell me that have no respect to intelectual property asking Adobe for paid upgrades for Camera Raw ??????

> You "bought" CS3

2. You try to tell me that I have no licence for CS3???????  That's extremely funny.

> You and other who complain that new cameras aren't supported

3. You try to tell me that asking for paid support is "disrespect for intellectual property–software" (Oh, please, I'm editor, try reading, maybe answer will be more adequate )

Don't you see the utter irony here that you have to accuse me to (not) answer simple question? Try understand that upgrading will not solve my problem until plugins are working with CS 4, Thats the point. Ofcourse that I ask Adobe, they are big company, and ofcourse I wait for updates from small plugins makers and thay make it at last, I am sure. But I have few month of grief.

> Personally as a current customer using Photoshop CS4 ...

I'm happy for you, & God bless you! I'am sure that I will be happy consumer when my problem will be solved & I am realy sorry to bother you with my little drawbeck. But I've bought every Photoshop from 3, Few Ilustrators from 9, first iDesign (oh my God!!!) and Creative Colection & two Suits (cs 2 & 3) & some other software and always say good word about Adobe but I never felt like today without window of opportunity to solve simple trouble for few month.

OK, I'am sorry makinkg this wind, the fact is that the only way is to wait with some Yoda sentences sticked to monitor.

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jaszewicz, while English doesn't seem to be your native tongue, I'm sure you are far better at English that I would be in YOUR native language...so hats off to you for trying...

The bottom line is that it is Adobe's policy since Camera Raw was released as a part of Photoshop (Photoshop CS released October 2003) that active support and updates are ONLY supplied for the current shipping version which at the moment is Photoshop CS4. There are legitimate technical and of course real business reasons for this policy but this is no new thing...it was this way when you bought CS3. So, while it may relieve you to vent, complaining here in a user to user forum ain't gonna get you much.

You would do better to concentrate your venting to the plug-in developers who have been slow to update their offerings for CS4 compatibility...

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Re: Uhhuh

Thank you for help Jeff.

Can I say that as user tu "user" ?

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Jaszewicz,

Can you list the plug-ins that that you utilize that are not currently available for Photoshop CS4?

Regards,

Tom Hogarty

Lightroom, Camera Raw Product Manager.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Dziękuję Tom za darmową lekcję angielskiego, Jeffowi też dziękuję. Uświadomiliście mi, że (skoro znalazłem dobre rozwiązanie zastępcze), dalsza rozmowa, w której bez wątpienia wykorzystasz oczywistą podłość mojej angielszczyzny, ma dla was sens jedynie marketingowy. Obiecując, że wezmę lekcje angielskiego, nadmienię jedynie, że w naszej cywilizacji, ludzi ośmieszających oponenta niemerytorycznym przytykiem do rodzimości lub (nie)rodzimości języka, którym oponent się z musu posługuje, nie jest uznawane za cnotę.

Merytorycznie tymczasem wspomnę o dobrych narzędziach napisanych do Waszego oprogramowania przez pewnego holendra, i kilku innych, znakomitych plug-inach napisanych przez Rosjan, Polaków, Niemców i jednego genialnego Czecha. Niestety niektóre z nich w ogóle nie będą aktualizowane do najnowszej wersji Waszego produktu. Skoro mój angielski nie jest wystarczająco dobry, by uznać komunikację za zadowalającą Tym razem ja będę złośliwy i nie podam ich otwartym tekstem, abyś musiał poprosić tłumacza jeśli jesteś naprawdę zainteresowany.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Jaszewicz,

In all fairness, I don't see where Tom Hogarty set out to give you or anybody else "an English lesson".  He never even mentioned anything about a language barrier.  Jeff did, but I don't see where he tried to lecture you or anyone else in the use of the English language, either.  As a matter of fact, he praised you and congratulated you.  "Hats off" means he symbolically takes his hat off to you as a sign of respect.  Chapeau!

As I have no direct working knowledge of the Polish language, I have to rely on a combination of the incomplete Google translation of your text and what precious little similarity there may be in the words and phrases left untranslated by Google and some Russian words in my active vocabulary.

In any event, I gather you do not wish to give Tom further details about plug-ins written by Dutch, Russian, Polish and German software developers, "and one by a brilliant Czech", as they will never be updated for the latest version of Tom's product.  In addition, you're miffed enough about a reference to your English skills to the point of not being willing to provide a translation of your thoughts.

Trust me on this, though:  communicating with you in English is a whole lot easier. 

Pozdrowienia — Regards to you too.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

I'm pretty sure now that communicaton in English (even if mine is rather poor than pure) is a whole lot easier, because google translated only about 30% of my answer .

You've made me feel obliged to explain myself, so I'll start with that. I think I understand what "Hats off" means, but to me it sounded rather sarcastic & I'm sure - to you as well  . Maybe when the point of our discusion changed to my English skills,  I read Tom's repetition of "that"as a joke of my that "overusing" (as I understood my misuderstanding of the quotes used by Jeff, - Thank you Jeff, I will try not to overuse Present Perfect). This I called "English lessons". Of course I'm not sure, so I try to rely on your English feeling for rhythm of this exquisite language, I hope I'm not making wrong move.

So lets go to the piont:

First of all there are very good plug-ins & actions made by FM software (fredmiranda.com), they still works on CS4 compatybility. For windows CS 3 there are fine tools from redfieldplugins, Cybia & Van der Lee & I like them.  (Yes, I'm using (at home & at work) both Windows & OS X versions of CS 3.)

(Of course that is not all. Some of my friends (this brillant Czech for example, and my Polish & German friends)  made for me & my friends some plug-ins & actions. This software is not so user friendly so they did not decide to start sell it on open market. They even don't know when thay start work with compatibility problem.)

But even if they do that it will be problem when ADOBE will make CS 5, I'am sure. So the point is: do ADOBE want our money for longer support of erlier versions, or not. In spite of continuous development digtal RAW standards mabe ADOBE will change their policy, for our and their profit (not our or their)?

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

And ones more - forgive me talking about past problems, connected only with lenght of support  - when my employer bought last CS3 licence (for next worker) thare was CS4 on the market. He decided to make this because there was not info when Silver Efex would work with CS4. Of course we can say: "I know it's frustrating, but it's reality", - but this kind of thinking I call "arrogance". Please, forgive if my feedback is to heavy for acceptance.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Of course not "in spite of" but "in circumstances" sorry, & sorry for other, less or more annoying mistakes.

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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark II with Photoshop CS3

All plug-ins that need to run under the 64-bit version of Photoshop CS4 for Windows needed to be updated to be compatible with 64-bit.  However, you can still run the 32-bit version of Photoshop CS4 for Windows, and nearly all CS3 compatible plug-ins are still compatible, and don't need to be updated.   You get both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Photoshop CS4 for Windows on the install disk, and both can be installed on the same machine.

So, have you actually verified that your plug-ins are not compatible with 32-bit Photoshop CS4?  There are free trail versions available for download.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

jaszewicz wrote:

You've made me feel obliged to explain myself, so I'll start with that. I think I understand what "Hats off" means, but to me it sounded rather sarcastic & I'm sure - to you as well  . Maybe when the point of our discusion changed to my English skills,  I read Tom's repetition of "that"as a joke of my that "overusing" (as I understood my misuderstanding of the quotes used by Jeff, - Thank you Jeff, I will try not to overuse Present Perfect). This I called "English lessons". Of course I'm not sure, so I try to rely on your English feeling for rhythm of this exquisite language, I hope I'm not making wrong move.

What we have here, is a failure to communicate...

As an American, I'm rather embarrassed that the only foreign language I ever took in school was Latin. And unless you spend time at the Vatican or are a Catholic priest, there's not much call for Latin as a speaking language. So, if you think I was making fun of or otherwise disparaging your use of the written English language you are mistaken.

As for the quotes thing, when I wrote about you buying CS3 I put the word "bought" in quotes without explaining why I did that. I was actually talking about the issue of licensing and had intended to draw a comparison between a client licensing images and a Photoshop user licensing Photoshop. But for one reason or another that part didn't make it into the post so that left the word "bought" hanging out there. Sorry, I had no intention of implying anything with the quotes.

As for the rest with the plug-ins, as Thomas indicates, plug-ins that ran under CS3 as 32 binaries should run under CS4 when Photoshop is run as a 32 bit app. And even if you are booted under a 64 bit OS, you still have the choice of launching Photoshop as a 32 or 64 bit app. If you are running CS3 under a 64 bit OS, you're already running Photoshop as a 32 bit app. If you updated to CS4 you would have the choice of running as 32 or 64 bit but would get the benefits of addressing more ram when running CS4 as a 64 bit app for those time when you really need the memory allocation.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

(Thank you for your explanation Jeff, I'm sorry too. This misunderstanding should have never happened, we both speak Latin , Oh my God!)

Thank you both for help, it works in case of 79 of my 85 plug-ins in windows station, but that's something. Unfortunately I didn't find anything helpful for OSX stations.

This OSX problem is bigger in my work. Is there anything helpful for OSX users?

Regards

PS

Adobe products since CS version have not only been picture/book/newspaper edition software, It is a real operating system for artists designers, editors & Adobe knows it, Adobe made it so good & versatile. Thousands more or less sophisticated programmes, plug-ins or actions work in this system and users are dependent on all of these tools. If we (users) have a problem with converting, and the upgrade didn't give us the same workplace we try to find third party converter, even if it is more expensive than upgrade. So please think paid support for camera RAW converter over again, even if it is done with CS 5.

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Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark II with Photoshop CS3

I don't understand your question about a solution of OS/X.  Most plug-ins that run under Photoshop CS3 Macintosh should run fine under Photoshop CS4 Macintosh.  There is not 64-bit version of Photoshop for Macintosh yet, and Photoshop CS3 was already Intel native, so the plug-in compatibility should have been very good.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

This is one version back from CS4 and ADOBE isn't interested in making this issue go away.

Why should I have to fork out $$$ for CS4 when my 3 works perfectly fine until now...

Never again will I buy and Adobe product after my conversations I just had with Adobe Philippines (ALL their customer service and tech support location) and Adobe corporate (who could care less) in California.

Seems like the only American company with any dignity at all is Apple - I hope that lasts as there is nothing left in this country - sad.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Adobe Community Professional , Feb 18, 2010

The camera is new, what makes you think you wouldn't need to upgrade software to deal with it?

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The profit Adobe would lose on your not buying their software is much less than it would cost them to pay people for the extra effort to update all older versions of software for new cameras, and they need to keep getting money from the upgrades to continue to pay people.

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As far as Apple, they aren't supporting non-Intel Macs, either.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Why would you assume that I don't buy 100 copies of CS

OH - and unlike most people out there using Adobe - I USED to pay for all the licences - for all 25 photographer in my group - but not anymore.

Non-intell macs are years ago - not one years ago like CS3's decision not to support a current camera

Adobe - just another ruthless corporation

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Adobe Community Professional , Feb 18, 2010

This support-for-current-cameras-in-current-version-only policy has been around since ACR came out and is not new with CS3, so predates Apples non-Intel decision.

If your 25 photographers aren't providing enough revenue for a $200 upgrade price per head then you probably shouldn't be in business at all.

Do you buy them their cameras or just their software? You can require them to pay for their own software upgrade, or convert everything to DNG so no one has to upgrade. There are ways around the situation, but Adobe is unlikely to make an unprofitable decision just to make you unhappy.

I was just as upset when I found out I had to upgrade my PS when I upgraded my camera, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Your an idiot - please create a forum for yourself and gush over

adobe all you want.... have fun! Leave me alone now - thanks


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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

I agree with you trogir13. ssprengel is being completely condescending and is clearly a hopless adobe fanboy.

Nobody is arguing that adobe doesn't have the right to not support their legacy software, of course they do. But as their customers we don't have to like it and it is appropriate for us to complain. When you buy software, you expect that it will be supported for a certain amount of time or a certian number of versions (you may not know how many, but you don't expect it to be zero). I work for a company that sells software and hardware and we support both for at least 2 version and 4 years respectivley (we don't wear a cape blowing in the wind when we do, it's just how you stand behind your product).

The fact that adobe has had this policy for a long time doesn't make it OK. Yes, an upgrade is relatively inexpensive, but it is still an expense and a hassle. And what if I upgrade tp CS4 and then a week later CS5 comes out? All of a sudden I am on an "unsupported" platform.

Does adobe want to the kind of company that stands behind their product or do they want to play gotcha with their customers?

That's the kind of thing a customer keeps in mind when selecting their photo editing software. But let's face it, there is no "selecting" there is just photoshop.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

brokenbricks wrote:

But let's face it, there is no "selecting" there is just photoshop.

Wrong! There are plenty of alternatives but, if you choose Adobe, you choose their upgrade policy too.


Like it or lump it!


If you gave it some thought, you would see that, while technically possible, the resources required to make it so that a few disgruntled users can save what amounts to a couple of hours pay, makes it a non-starter from a practical point of view.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

I've just done a talk on raw processing for my photography club. Several of the audience asked questions about Photoshop and Elements and being unable to open their raw files, and so I jumped through the hoops of explaining the Updates system, which versions of CR run on which versions of PS, and which version of DNG Converter to use, etc. It's a minefield to the unitiated, and it's not surprising this is the most commonly asked question.

I fully understand Adobe's position, as well as customers' frustration. I don't think anyone is in the wrong. But it occurred to me: surely there must be a better way to tackle this old chestnut.

I've been using CR since version 3/4, and in that time there have been lots of great new features, refinements, and new cameras supported. Couldn't Camera Raw be modularised? Couldn't the raw file translator be separated from the rest of the plug-in, like DNG Converter? That way, new features and refinements in the Camera Raw plug-in are separate to the raw format translator, protecting Adobe's revenue.

The converter would be a "bridge" between the raw format and the plug-in, and only that program would need to be regularly updated. New versions of Camera Raw can continue to support the latest Photoshop, but the underlying file translator can be changed like a tyre.

They've already done half the job. DNG Converter works a treat. Is it a massive job to get Camera Raw to use it as a translator instead?

Of course, this doesn't help owners of existing "legacy" versions. But it would make new versions future-proof. And isn't Adobe all for this principle, as proponents of DNG?

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Yammer P wrote:

Couldn't the raw file translator be separated from the rest of the plug-in, like DNG Converter?

???

Huh? 

Dude, the raw file conversion engine is the plug-in.  You cannot separate it from itself.

Once the raw data has been converted—or "translated" in your usage— it is no longer raw.  At that point you can't add any adjustments to metadata, rather the image has to be immediately handed over to Photoshop for further processing.

You may not realize it, but what you are talking about and proposing is precisely what the slightly-ill-named DNG Converter does.  It does not really convert the raw data but only the wrapper in which it is presented.

What you seem to be suggesting is that the DNG Converter be called upon by Camera Raw to work its magic on the fly.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

DNG Converter extracts the raw image data and saves it in DNG format. It doesn't PROCESS the image in any way.

Camera Raw also does this as the first stage of loading the image (except it doesn't save the DNG file to disk). Camera Raw ALSO processes the raw image data according to develop settings.

What I'm suggesting is that Camera Raw could use a separate module (like DNG Converter) to do this first stage of extracting raw image data, rather than do it itself (i.e. it becomes a processing-only plug-in). Then the only thing which needs to be updated for new cameras is this format conversion module.

What's the point? Well, if Camera Raw is designed to use any future version of this raw format decoder (or whatever you want to call it), there wouldn't be any need to upgrade the plug-in, unless you wanted any new features in the later versions.

I'm not saying it would definitely work, because I don't know how this software is written, but if it did it could stop this problem in a few years' time.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Again:  What you seem to be suggesting is that the DNG Converter be called upon by Camera Raw to work its magic on the fly.  (NOTE:  I edited my previous post and you may not see the edits if you are using email to read posts in this forum.)

Another thing you are missing is that virtually ALL succeeding versions of Camera Raw contain unannounced, unheralded, unpublicized improvements, enhancements and bug fixes—separate and apart from support for newer cameras.

That's why you should always be using the latest version of ACR that is compatible with your version of Photoshop.

(Not that I agree with the rest of your post, but other aspects of it need not be addressed in this context.)

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

I'm not missing it at all. I've already tried to clarify once; I'm not sure how I can be any clearer.

You use the expression "on the fly" like it's a bad thing. Software is written to use "libraries" or "APIs" all the time. The API performs a particular function, and the host program calls the API for that particular job. In this case, the API would extract the raw data from the camera file, nothing more, nothing less.

As long as future versions of Camera Raw are designed to use the API (and subsequent versions) to extract the raw data, you can stay with your old version, or upgrade to a newer version if you want the newer features. The important thing is that ANY (future) version of Camera Raw could use ANY version of the extraction API.

This is my last attempt to explain my random musing. I'm only trying to be helpful by throwing in a suggestion which might solve a recurring problem.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Yammer P wrote:

…a suggestion which might solve a recurring problem.

The "problem" is already neatly solved by the DNG Converter.  You're just asking that Camera Raw call the DNG Converter automatically and transparently, that's all.

That's OK.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

ADOBE = CORPORATE GREED

Thats my only point. And they wonder why people illegally downlaod their software.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

The Adobe DNG Converter is free.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

There is a new version of Photoshop that will be introduced in about 10 days.  And, just like all the other releases, these kinds of complaints about greed are going to surface again.  Some might even think they are accomplishing something by complaining.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Didn't mean to insult the wealthy fanboys

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If you gave it some thought, you would see that, while technically possible, the resources required to make it so that a few disgruntled users can save what amounts to a couple of hours pay, makes it a non-starter from a practical point of view.

No duh. Which s why we need to speak up and let adobe know that this is something we care about. The more of us there are and the louder we are the more likely it is that adobe will allocate a developer for an afternoon to port the latest version of camera raw to cs3.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

brokenbricks wrote:

…the more likely it is that adobe will allocate a developer for an afternoon to port the latest version of camera raw to cs3.

Adobe is not selling CS3 any longer, and it will stop selling CS4 in a matter of weeks.  What possible incentive would there be in spending as much as ten minutes on such an endeavor?

If you are using CS3, you are a past Adobe customer, not a current one.

There are many legitimate reasons to criticize Adobe, and I have plenty of those myself.  But the backwards compatibility of ACR is not one of them.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

What possible incentive would there be in spending as much as ten minutes on such an endeavor?

because it will increase the likelyhood of me (and hopefully others like me) to be future adobe customers.

when cs5 comes out i wonder what the rate of returning cusomers to new customers will be who buy it. at my company it's about 85% returning to 15% new. takeing care of current users is a great way to ensure future business, not only are they your future customers, they cost way less to sell to.

obviously i am not going to presume to give an intro to business course to adobe, i am sure they have made all these calculations. but if they don't know when their user base is frustrated, they can't respond.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

Adobe Community Professional , Apr 05, 2010

ACR has always only been updated for the current version of PS, so Adobe knows what the return rate is for customers based on past experience.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

I don't doubt that they do. Is it inappropriate for me to complain and ask that the policy be changed? perhaps adobe is unaware of how much their users want this feature. If I just shut up and sit down as you seem to want me to, they never will.

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Re: Cannon Eos 5D Mark ii with Photoshop CS3

brokenbricks wrote:

…Is it inappropriate for me to complain and ask that the policy be changed?…

No, not inappropriate at all; but utterly futile, alas!

brokenbricks wrote:

…perhaps adobe is unaware of how much their users want this feature…

Guess you don't want it bad enough that you would want to pay for the upgrade.

On the other hand, the majority of us did want it badly enough to buy the upgrade.

Either way, your complaint won't get you anywhere.  That's all I'm trying to say.

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