Making pretest and quiz behave identically

[vajrasana]

I have a pretest and a quiz.  Pretest questions, and quiz questions are part of the same single quiz experience.  Has to be like this for technical reasons, cannot just all be quiz.

Pretest

q1

q2

q3

= SCORE A

Quiz

q4

q6

q6

= SCORE B

Pass requires 2/3 for pretest and 2/3 for quiz.

How do I make review quiz include the pretest as a contiguos review and allow full backwards and forward navigation in review of all pretest and quiz questions?

[RodWard]

If you want anything approaching this structure then DO NOT use Pretest Quiz slides.  Just make all of the quiz slides out of normal question slides.  You cannot get the Review Quiz to work with Pretests.

You will need to use Variables and Conditional Advanced Actions to control navigation and create some kind of division between the two sections of what Captivate will regard as just a single quiz.  You'll need to Allow Backward Navigation in the Quiz Settings. 

But you are going to run into problems in some areas for sure.  Your Review Quiz function will ONLY work once you get to the Quiz Results slide.

[vajrasana]

Thanks Rod

The questions need to be split into two categories, so essentially two separate quizzes with two separate scores, that must be combined into a single score.

Ideas?

[RodWard]

Another job for Variables and Conditional Advanced Actions.  You can insert a slide formatted to LOOK like the Quiz Results slide at the end of the module, but you won't be able to replicate all behaviour.

It's quite a bit of work to set up, but doable.  But although you can make it LOOK to the end user as though there are two separate quizzes, Captivate only sees one.  You can't really get around that.

[vajrasana]

Thanks

The problem is, that captivate needs to see two quizzes, the student sees only one.

Quiz 1 - critical questions, a score of 10/13 must be achieved, as well as:

Quiz 2 - general questions, a score of 30/37 must be achieved.

I made this work using a pretest and a quiz and score slide with actions, but can't get the pretest reviewed.

Still can't see a method.

[RodWard · Accepted solution]

What you're seeing is simply a limitation of what the current application can do.

When Adobe added the Pre-test functionality, it was NOT set up to do exactly what you're wanting.  It doesn't get included in the Review Quiz mode.  There's nothing you can really do about that. 

My suggestion would get your first questions included in the Review Quiz (because they're all part of the same quiz) but as I have already stated a couple of times, Captivate only sees ONE quiz. 

If you don't like the way it works, feel free to log an enhancement request and wait a few versions.  You may get lucky.

[vajrasana]

How do I separate the quiz questions into two separate scoring blocks? They have to be distinct an scored separately.  To pass the user must get:

10/30 for quiz A and;

30/37 for quiz B

The scoring works using pretest but I can't review.  I'm happy to use ordinary quiz slides, but how do get them to score separately, then show pass/fail to the LMS, then allow the user to review their answers?

[RodWard]

If you're wanting each of these A and B sections to report separate scores TO THE LMS then you need to divide your CPTX into two different projects.  Captivate will only see ONE quiz per project file and report ONE score per project file.

[vajrasana]

We may be off track here.  My LMS is a server, custom built.  I create reports from the XML that the CPTX reports on entry to the scoring slide, regardless  that the scoring slide only tabulates the quiz, not the pre-test.

So, as it's set up as Pre-Test and Quiz as two separate entities, my variable tabulates and passes/fails based on combined scores from the two quizzes, it works and reports perfectly, but as per my original question I cant get review working on the pre-test slides, and as you've indicated this may not be possible using pre/test/quiz slides. 

So, I still need a solution as separate quizzes is not an option, they must be distinct quizzes in the same module and produce one XML, but still appear on quiz to the user.

Can you think of/explain a way I can setup normal slides as question slides, have two tabulations for the two separate quizzes, and have correct/incorrect responses when the user "reviews"?

Alternatively, as I have setup detailed feedback slides for each individual question, can I export their answer from each question in both the existing pretest and the existing quiz, to the relevant feedback slide so they can see their answer on that slide?

[Lilybiri]

Maybe also off topic, but if you use normal question slides, both for pretest and normal test (which will make the default Preview functional) you can create intermediate score slides:

Intermediate Score Slides - Captivate blog

As for showing the answers later on: you'll have to store each answer in a user variable (one per question slide), using the system variable cpQuizInfoAnswerChoice.

[vajrasana]

Thanks Lilibiri

Sounds promising.

How do I setup the variable cpQuizInfoAnswerChoice for each slide, and then recall it it on each individual feedback slide?

Q1  cpQuizInfoAnswerChoice (then ?)

Q2  cpQuizInfoAnswerChoice (then ?)

Feedback 1 cpQuizInfoAnswerChoice (then ?)

Feedback 1 cpQuizInfoAnswerChoice (then ?)

[vajrasana]

To clarify, my captivate was already set up to have a pretest of 13 questions and a score, and a quiz of 37 questions and a score, the tabulation of which is an advanced action on entry to the score slide to enable pass/fail.

I have setup 50 new slides that repeat the both the pretest and quiz questions in the same order, now I need to use cpQuizInfoAnswerChoice as an action to show their response to that question, from that question slide, on that feedback slide (which is a normal slide made to look lie the question slide or pretest slide), but advanced actions are not possible on question slides.

That's my pickle.

[Lilybiri]

cpQuizInfoAnswerChoice is a quizzing system variable which is reused on each question slide. If you want to 'keep' its value, you have to transfer it to a user variable with the Assign command:

   Assign v_answer1 with cpQuizInfo AnswerChoice

Why do you say that advanced/shared actions are not possible on question slides? On a question slide you can have:

1. An advanced action triggered by the On Enter event of the slide
2. An advanced action triggered by the Success event of the question slide
3. An advanced action triggered by the Last Attempt event of the question slide

Maybe you need to read this article: Events and (advanced) Actions - Captivate blog

[vajrasana]

Thanks Lieve

On each Pretest question the options for advanced actions are greyed out and not available.

[Lilybiri]

Sorry, you talked about 'question slides', I never use Pretest slides at all because they have so many restrictions (also for navigation). I thought Rod already told you to avoid them. That was the reason I posted the link to the article about intermediate score slides. Use default question slides for pretest, you can calculate the result, and do not add the scores of those slides to the total Quiz score (use the Advanced Interaction panel, much underestimated and unknown panel).

[vajrasana]

Thanks, I'm familiar with advanced and conditional actions, not so much with quiz variables.  I'll try to translate your blog page into my context.