Viseme order when importing/pasting into After Effects

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Nov 03, 2019 Nov 03, 2019

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Referring to this page, step #2 says to create a comp with the visemes "matching the order of visemes in Character Animator’s Visemes context menu" and gives an example of the order being Neutral, Aa, D "and so on".

The problem is that in Character Animator (current version 2.11) the viseme order in the context menu is different.Screenshot 2019-11-03 at 11.45.53 am.png

 

Just to complicate things, the layer order of the visemes in the default head PSD is different again.

 

So… which is the correct order?

 

The actual process of pasting in the keyframe data works fine, it's just that the visemes being displayed in After Effects don't match the ones being displayed in the original Character Animator capture, and short of endless trial and error, I don't know how to fix it.

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Community Beginner , Nov 04, 2019 Nov 04, 2019
Figured it out by just exporting a test with all visemes via keyframes and via project link and comparing. Heres what I got: Aa = 1D = 2Ee = 3F = 4L = 5M = 6Oh = 7R = 8S = 9Uh = 10W-Oo = 11

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I have never heard of the ordering mattering. I always just make sure the right tags are on each viseme. If you look in the properties panel, look for the tags section, personally I like clicking on the letter A icon to show the text names of all the tags. There should be a group of viseme names. I would double check there is a tagged layer for each of the visemes.

 

But i have no experience with AE and using visemes. I was not aware that was possible! I have only ever used visemes from inside CH.

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The order of the layers in the PSD may not matter when brought into Character Animator, but the order of the frames in the comp definitely matters within After Effects!

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yes, I'm facing the exact same issue. There is no apparent consistency and as you point out the instructions are incomplete.

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Figured it out by just exporting a test with all visemes via keyframes and via project link and comparing. Heres what I got:

 

Aa = 1
D = 2
Ee = 3
F = 4
L = 5
M = 6
Oh = 7
R = 8
S = 9
Uh = 10
W-Oo = 11

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Smart thinking! I'll give that a whirl tomorrow. Thanks for sharing your findings 🙂

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Just had it confirmed by an Adobe engineer that it expects the visemes in alphabetical order - which is what you had correctly deduced. Supposedly the online help should have been updated with the correct info but that hasn't happened yet. I still think I'm going to do a side-by-side comparison.

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