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How much dangle is too much dangle?

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Feb 05, 2019

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Continuing a thread with Fata Morgana from this thread: Getting a too much complicated face , any suggestions? 

Hi Fata. I've found some time to take a look at the puppet. Indeed, there are a TON of dangle handles.

The first thing I see is that the Head and Body aren't next to eachother. If you want the head and body to move nicely together, *usually* you want them next to eachother, though their are setups where the head is attached to the body.

Outside that and the dangle issue, I see an enormous number of handles in the Puppet panel. I'm guessing these are coming from origin handles from groups in Photoshop.

I decided to remove what I thought were redundant groups in Photoshop, but I see that the image isn't identical, so I'm not sure where I made a mistake. In any case, you can see from the two pictures that my version has many fewer handles. That only moved the FPS up from 6 to 8, so clearly the dangle is the biggest issue. But in general, you only want as many groups as you need.

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I recommend getting the puppet to move properly without the Physics behavior active(turn off the eyeball), then move on to the optimizing the Physics behavior. The fabric in her hand appears to be part of the robe layer, so it doesn't move with the hands. You want anything that's supposed to move with the arms to be inside the arm group.

As for the 417 dangle handles, I think you're best served putting multiple layers into a group, then adding a dangle or handle or two into the group. Looking at her hair, you could probably get away with 6-10 dangle handles.

Anyway, I'm happy to help you optimize this puppet, but let's do it in this thread. I've also attached a project with some puppet modifications, but by no means is it finished.

Thanks,

Dan Ramirez

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How much dangle is too much dangle?

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Continuing a thread with Fata Morgana from this thread: Getting a too much complicated face , any suggestions? 

Hi Fata. I've found some time to take a look at the puppet. Indeed, there are a TON of dangle handles.

The first thing I see is that the Head and Body aren't next to eachother. If you want the head and body to move nicely together, *usually* you want them next to eachother, though their are setups where the head is attached to the body.

Outside that and the dangle issue, I see an enormous number of handles in the Puppet panel. I'm guessing these are coming from origin handles from groups in Photoshop.

I decided to remove what I thought were redundant groups in Photoshop, but I see that the image isn't identical, so I'm not sure where I made a mistake. In any case, you can see from the two pictures that my version has many fewer handles. That only moved the FPS up from 6 to 8, so clearly the dangle is the biggest issue. But in general, you only want as many groups as you need.

Screenshot 2019-02-05 18.39.36.pngScreenshot 2019-02-05 18.39.01.png

I recommend getting the puppet to move properly without the Physics behavior active(turn off the eyeball), then move on to the optimizing the Physics behavior. The fabric in her hand appears to be part of the robe layer, so it doesn't move with the hands. You want anything that's supposed to move with the arms to be inside the arm group.

As for the 417 dangle handles, I think you're best served putting multiple layers into a group, then adding a dangle or handle or two into the group. Looking at her hair, you could probably get away with 6-10 dangle handles.

Anyway, I'm happy to help you optimize this puppet, but let's do it in this thread. I've also attached a project with some puppet modifications, but by no means is it finished.

Thanks,

Dan Ramirez

CH QA

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Feb 11, 2019

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Hello Dan,

first of all thank you very much for your time,

I looked at what you did it is very interressting. for the head and the body I did'nt knew it must be next to eachother.

If I understand well your idea for the hair and the dress I need to dangle by group whereas by layers( to resume very quiclky). I never thought about it, I will try that !

Also even if it's in 8frame per second I find the result much better rather than only 5frame  and I know there is an option in premiere pro "optical flux" wich fluidize the image, I will try this with the "8framepuppet"

Anyway thank a lot ! it's a great feeling to be helped like this !

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Even though the puppet can only run at 8fps, the export or clip over Dynamic Link will be full framerate, so 24, 30, etc. No need to use any optical flux.

One option is to animate your character with the Physics behavior turned off(eyeball=off). Then you can turn it back on when you do your final render.
Thanks,

Dan Ramirez

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