Extended Find Like in Homesite?

[JEFFMACE]

I am looking to see if ColdFusion builder has an Extended Find feature like what was in Homesite 5.x.  I use this feature all the time, but can't seem to figure out how to use the Search feature in CFBuilder.  Can anyone offer suggestions?

Thanks!

[Adam Cameron.]

however Time is money and my employers current targets dont really see this as a prioroty (regardless of my constant pleading) (we have a very intensive backup system in place anyway).

Just the increased control over release / rollback packages should be enough.  Not to mention the in-built ability to diff code, which makes it very easy to spot potential problems when code stops working.

Your bosses are being ignorant (to the point of negligence) if they think they know better than the bulk of professional shops out there, and accordingly don't use source control.  The simple fact of the matter is source code should be under source control, and releases should be controlled via that mechanism as well.  It's a much more efficient way of development.  And, as you say... time equals money.  They're perhaps just having a rather short-sighted approach to concept.

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Adam

[benalembick]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your responses, Adam, ignorant is definatley the correct word to use regarding my bosses. I am currently working for a IT Sales company, I develop their Internal / External sales systems, and as long as they get thier systems delivered they dont really care about the development process behind it. This makes it hard for me as i am having to work with very old legacy code, The back up systems they have in place was never designed for code backup. (meaning i have to manually backup code and SQL Dbs).

The more i think about it the more I really want to convince them to allow me some time to implement a change to the process. Problem is as far as they are concerned they arnt getting anything out of it.

There is only one developer working on the systems (me) however I am trying to get that changed, so I guess the first step is going to be tackling this.

I will look into CFB versioning, Is SVN the most common still?

Thanks again

Ben

[Adam Cameron.]

In some ways, source control is like insurance.  A complete waste of time until one needs it.  Then it's essential.

I think people are erring towards GIT these days.  I've never used it, but read up on it when it first came out.  One of its benefits is it decentralises the respository, which can be useful I guess.  Other than that one of its claims is that it's easier to do branching & merging than SVN... but in al the examples I read, the process was exactly the same, so I don't get what they're on about.

I've used VSS, CVS and SVN.  VSS and CVS are rubbish, I can confirm that.  SVN is one of my favourite pieces of software, because I find it a real time saver.  But if I was in your position of just starting out, I'd look at GIT too.

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Adam

[benalembick]

Thanks Adam, When i had played with GIT I had read a few people mention that if they hadnt already implemented SVN then they would give GIT a go, guess the downside is that there arnt as many people using it therefore not as many to answer questions when you get a prob 🙂

When people say decentalise the repository what do they mean?

(if anyone has some good resource for getting GIT installed please share id be very grateful :-))

Cheers

[ecobb]

Adam Cameron. wrote:

I've used VSS, CVS and SVN.  VSS and CVS are rubbish, I can confirm that.  SVN is one of my favourite pieces of software, because I find it a real time saver.  But if I was in your position of just starting out, I'd look at GIT too.

I'll agree with Adam on all of the above, but add that if you don't like doing everything via command line, you probably won't like GIT.  There's very little gui support for it, and the ones that are out there only support the basic features of it.  Everyone I've talked to that has used GIT raves about it, but most of them are Mac/Linux guys so they're used to a lof of typing. 

Thanks,

Eric Cobb

http://www.ecartech.com

http://www.cfgears.com

[Adam Cameron.]

Oh god.  Is there no TortoiseGIT (ie: a GIT equiv of TortoiseSVN)?  How quaintly behind-the-times.

I mean, I can use the command line in SVN, but why would I want to put msyelf in the position of needing to, these days?

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Adam

[ecobb]

Heh, yeah, that was kinda my take on it too. There may some decent

clients coming out, but when I tried GIT about 6 months ago there wasn't

much out there. I couldn't get the Eclipse plugin to even work.

Thanks,

Eric Cobb

http://www.ecartech.com

http://www.cfgears.com

[Muzak]

There's tortoiseGit and Egit.

http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/

http://www.eclipse.org/egit/

Haven't used any of them though, just know they exist.

I use SubClipse (http://subclipse.tigris.org/) myself in combination with assembla (http://www.assembla.com)

[Bert_Dilliën]

Hi guys,

Apparently nobody answered the original question so if nobody minds getting back on topic, here I go .

The feature you are looking for is called site wide search if I'm not mistaken. A few years back I found some plugins for Eclipse which promised just that. Having tried some and never got it to work properly I abonded the search for it.

Ofcourse you could always hit Ctrl-H and use the dialog presented to search the 'enclosing project'. Replace also available in the same dialog. It works just fine for me.

Cheers Bert.

[Adam Cameron.]

Ofcourse you could always hit Ctrl-H and use the dialog presented to search the 'enclosing project'. Replace also available in the same dialog. It works just fine for me.

Yeah, but the initial requierment (well: I say initial, but it wasn't in the initial post) was for the search to do its bit over an RDS connection.  And none of the searches in CFB will do this.

I did suggest CTRL-H (well: I suggested via the menus) in my second response...

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Adam

[Charlie Arehart]

But Bert, the original poster clarified (in their second note in the thread) that they were specifically wanting to search across their code on an RDS-connected server. RDS is a feature (found in HomeSite, Dreamweaver, and CFBuilder) that allows one to connect to a remote server and see its drive like a drive from within the editor, all done over HTTP.

But the problem s/he was raising is that in CFBuilder, the search feature does not currently provide for searching across an RDS-connected drive. That's what then led to others discussing the broader matter of using RDS in general.

So as for your suggestion that some Eclipse plugin for sitewide search may be available, that would unfortunately not solve the OP's particular dilemma. Only Adobe would likely be able to solve this, since the RDS protocol (a web messaging method) is not published (though sure, someone could reverse-engineer it by sniffing packets between the editors and a server.) Again, we can hope that they will address it in the next release of CFB.

Also, the "enclosing project" solution would not work because you can't (for now) create a project pointing at an RDS-connected drive. So thanks for offering, but do you see now it's not quite so simple?

/charlie

[Bert_Dilliën]

Ok, sorry, I seem to have missed out the RDS part...

[Jack Burton]

I feel your pain!!!  I don't think you can do the extended search in CFB.  I too use it all the time in Homesite - love to be able to find all of a specific tag in a file or search thru hundreds of files.  CFB blows.  They tried to create something that is a cross between Homesite and Visual Studio - and failed.

[Adam Cameron.]

I agree that not having a search across RDS is a pain, but - to be frank - anything that discourages people from developing across an RDS link is a good thing.  It's just a bad way of developing code.  But I agree what CFB delivers in this regard is a backwards step compared to Allaire's (Allaire's!!! Not even Macromedia's let alone Adobe's!) offering vis-a-vis search.  They should deliver - as a minimum - what earlier products delivered.

I was going to say that DW's extended search for "tags with certain attribute [values]" is something easily done with a regex, so no great loss.  However I stopped to think whether I could replicate all that functionality with my knowledge of regexes (said knowledge is not perfect, but it's not shabby ;-), and I've decided it's too complicated to simply suggest "use regex searches instead".  So, yes, that's another area in which CFB is a backwards step from its antiquitous and onbsolete colleagues.

CFB needs to to all this stuff that CFS and DW used to do for CF developers.  As a minimum.

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Adam

[Charlie Arehart]

And what if they fixed that problem in the next release? Just wondering if you're saying you'd be happy if this one feature was resolved, or are there too many concerns to be satisfied?

/charlie

[SidianConsulting]

The only thing I find lacking in the CF Builder search functionality (which is basically Eclipse search functionality) is multi-line find and replace.  You CAN do this with regular expressions but I find it ridiculous.  Homesite had this functionality and it is truly the only thing I miss.  I use a program called Actual Search and Replace (the website is terrible but the app is great).  It's nice because it'll backup your files if you tell it to.