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color management problem

Community Beginner ,
Jun 08, 2020 Jun 08, 2020

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I thought I know something about color management but I ran out of ideas, hope you can help..

 

I have my image in sRGB, when I save it as a .jpg with the sRGB profile attached, all the aps (also those color managed ones) display the colors differently (and the difference is huge). I have color proofing switched off. The saved .jpg is beeing displayed correctly only by Photoshop (attachment 1).

 

Now, when I try convert this sRGB image to sRGB - just to be sure that the .jpg will have sRGB profile attached - magic happens. The conversion preview shows the image with different colors (2) (but not that different as the colors displayed by other apps display (4)). But then, when I click to convert to sRGB, nothing happens and the colors remain completely unchanged (3). Any ideas why?

 

The only way to have photoshop display colors same as other apps is to soft proof with Monitor RGB profile. As for the monitor, I'm using Eizo CX241 and it has been profiled with Color Munki Photo spectrophotometer. I'm running Color Navigator 7 if it makes any difference.

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Jun 08, 2020 Jun 08, 2020

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HI

some of this reads like a corrupted display profile

 

first another idea:

I think you might like to reset photoshop preferences, those changes when converting (beteween preview and converted doc) are pretty weird. 

[BTW don't convert sRGB to sRGB to get an embedded profile, simnple go ot edit \ assign profile or check embed profile in save for web at the start.

there are different variants of sRGB around, it can get confusing.

 

some of what's written below doesn’t apply to you but its worth making a test all the same because its designed to rule out display profile issues.

 

Display profile issues 

At least once a week on this forum we read about this, or very similar issues of appearance differing between applications.

Unfortunately, with Microsoft hardware: Windows updates, Graphics Card updates and Display manufacturers have a frustratingly growing reputation for installing useless (corrupted) monitor display profiles.

I CAN happen with Macs but with far less likelyhood, it seems.

 

The issue can affect different applications in different ways, some not at all, some very badly.

 

The poor monitor display profile issue is hidden by some applications, specifically those that do not use colour management, such as Microsoft Windows "Photos".

 

Photoshop is correct, it’s the industry standard for viewing images, in my experience it's revealing an issue with the Monitor Display profile rather that causing it. Whatever you do, don't ignore it. As the issue isn’t caused by Photoshop, don’t change your Photoshop ‘color settings’ to try fix it. 

 

If you want to rule out pretty much the only issue we ever see with Photoshop, you can reset preferences, I never read of a preferences issue causing this problem though:

To reset the preferences in Photoshop: 

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/preferences.html

 

Note: Make sure that you back up all your custom presets, brushes & actions before restoring Photoshop's preferences. Migrate presets, actions, and settings

 

 

To find out if the monitor display profile is the issue, I recommend you to try setting the monitor profile for your own monitor display under “Device” in your Windows ‘color management’ control panel to sRGB. You can ADD sRGB if its not already listed. 

And be sure to check “Use my settings for this device”.

 

**(OR, if you have a wide gamut monitor display (check the spec online) it’s better to try Adobe RGB instead).

Quit and relaunch Photoshop after the control panel change, to ensure the new settings are applied.

** you do

 

 

 

If this change fixes the issue, it is recommended that you should now calibrate and profile the monitor properly using a calibration sensor like i1display pro, which will create and install it's own custom monitor profile. The software should install it’s profile correctly so there should be no need to manual set the control panel once you are doing this right. 

 

Depending on the characteristics of your monitor display and your requirements, using sRGB or Adobe RGB here may be good enough - but custom calibration is a superior approach.

 

I hope this helps

if so, please "like" my reply and if you're OK now, please mark it as "correct", so that others who have similar issues can see the solution

thanks

neil barstow, colourmanagement.net :: adobe forum volunteer

[please do not use the reply button on a message in the thread, only use the one at the top of the page, to maintain chronological order]

 

 

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Jun 09, 2020 Jun 09, 2020

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"The only way to have photoshop display colors same as other apps is to soft proof with Monitor RGB profile"

 

Soft proofing to Monitor RGB disables color management. It makes Photoshop behave as if it didn't have any color management at all.

 

In other words, if those other applications display like that, then they are not color managed.

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Jun 09, 2020 Jun 09, 2020

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You are describing a crippled color management workflow "I have color proofing switched off"  

It appears, that you have not embedded the profile in the file you're asking other "Apps" to display properly.  Start there and give that a try. That is the way Color managed "Apps" are able to display colors properly.   

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Yes, it could well be that the profile isn't embedded.

 

"Now, when I try convert this sRGB image to sRGB - just to be sure that the .jpg will have sRGB profile attached"

 

There is a bit of confusion here on the OP's part. Converting won't in itself embed the profile. Convert just recalculates the numbers. The profile itself can still be stripped.

 

Photoshop would still display correctly if the working RGB happens to match the color space the file was created in. Other applications, even color managed ones, might just skip color management altogether without a profile.

 

Either way, everything here points to user error, and a missing profile is a very likely candidate.

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