When will the Substance Suite of apps be added to the All Apps Subscription Plan?

[GottaScrollFast]

Since all the Substance products are now part of the CC lineup, the description of the "All Apps Subscription Plan" is no longer accurate as it doesn't include all the apps. I'd like to swap to that plan once the Substance suite is actually included rather than doing everything piecemeal as I do now. I assume they're planning on updating eventually since their description of it as being an "all apps plan" hasn't changed. Has there been any messaging on this?

[John Waller]

Since all the Substance products are now part of the CC lineup,

Creative Cloud All Apps is the plan for all the apps which Adobe has deemed to be included in the Creative Cloud. It does not include all the apps. It's a specific set of apps.

https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog.html

Adobe offers separate subscription plans for Substance. Substance products will not be included in the Creative Cloud All Apps plan. 

https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html?filter=3dar&plan=individual

This was announced back in June 2021

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2021/06/23/announcing-adobe-substance-3d-tools-for-the-next-genera...

https://www.pickr.com.au/news/2021/adobe-brings-3d-into-the-fold-but-not-to-the-creative-cloud/

[ProDesignTools]

Like John said, it's unlikely that the Substance 3D apps will ever be included in the main Creative Cloud plan.

The Substance 3D Collection costs almost as much as the All Apps plan, so to combine them into one would raise the monthly costs for everyone, including all customers who don't use 3D. That's the messaging we've heard.

Dimension does 3D and although it is not as powerful and sophisticated as Substance, it is still included in All Apps.

[Nancy OShea]

Different tools & plans for different users:

• Adobe Document Cloud (business documents & e-sign)
• Adobe Experience (digital assets management)
• Captivate (e-Learning)
• Creative Cloud (content design for digital, print & video)
• Creative Cloud Express (mobile apps)
• Photography
• Substance (3D)

[GottaScrollFast]

The substance suite plan is really no more expensive than most other plans offered, it's $20. Illustrator by itself is the same ammount. Whereas All Apps is $55.
If you seperate out the standalone subscription costs of all the apps/programs in the "All Apps" package, they're much more expensive than the package itself. That's why the package is supposed to be a deal. So adding the Substance Suite to that All Apps package doesn't necessitate that its price would increase by the standalone price of the Substance suite.

Should probably change the name of the All Apps subcription plan if they're not gonna add it though. It's not really "All Apps" anymore but it keeps getting advertized to me as such nonetheless.

Perhaps they can put togethor an art focused package sometime. Would include the substance suite, photoshop, and illustrator.

[John Waller]

The substance suite plan is really no more expensive than most other plans offered, it's $20.

That's Substance 3D Texturing only (Painter, Designer, Sampler)

The Substance 3D Suite (Stager, Painter, Designer, Sampler) is $50.

https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/plans.html?filter=3dar&plan=individual

Should probably change the name of the All Apps subcription plan if they're not gonna add it though. It's not really "All Apps" anymore

Substance is not a Creative Cloud app. It forms the 3D collection.

Creative Cloud All Apps refers to the plan which includes all Creative Cloud apps.

[GottaScrollFast]

Forgot about Stager and Sampler. But Substance is available on CC / Creative Cloud. So by all intents and purposes it's a creative cloud app. There's no way you can say it isn't one. It's right there. They could include it if they wanted to in the All Apps plan. If not they should change the name of that plan.