ASP and Mac

Report · Jan 07, 2007

I just bought a Mac. I am developing with asp. Is there any server that can run the asp pages on the mac. If not what are my alternatives. thanks for your help

Report · Jan 07, 2007

RSXDriver wrote:
> I just bought a Mac. I am developing with asp. Is there any server that can run the asp pages on the mac.

No. ASP is a Microsoft technology. It normally requires a Windows
server, although it can be run on other platforms using Sun Java Server
Active Server Pages:

http://www.sun.com/software/chilisoft/

However, the Sun server isn't supported on Mac OS X.

> If not what are my alternatives.

Use a remote server as the testing server.
Switch to PHP or ColdFusion, both of which are supported on a Mac.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

Report · Jan 07, 2007

is php easy to learn. I watched a bunch of tutorials on asp and spent a lot of time on it. I know i could load windows on my mac, but I really dont want to. what kind of database software is available for mac? I guess SQL cannot be used because it is microsoft? what like access? Sorry for all of the questions, its like I have to learn all over again. But the mac is definitly worth it!

Report · Jan 07, 2007

RSXDriver wrote:
> is php easy to learn. I watched a bunch of tutorials on asp and spent a lot of
> time on it. I know i could load windows on my mac, but I really dont want to.
> what kind of database software is available for mac? I guess SQL cannot be used
> because it is microsoft? what like access? Sorry for all of the questions, its
> like I have to learn all over again. But the mac is definitly worth it!

I think PHP is easy to learn. I started with ASP, but ran into so many
problems that I switched to PHP after about a year and never looked
back. The fundamental principles are the same: use of variables,
functions, strings, arrays, conditional control structures (if, if...
else, switch). So you should find the change quite straightforward. Yes,
things are different, but the underlying principles are the same.

The main database used with PHP is MySQL. The basic SQL syntax is the
same - it's an international standard. The two big differences are that
MySQL is a Ferrari in comparison to Access's Ford, but it doesn't come
with a glossy interface like Access. However, there are several useful
front-end interfaces to MySQL, such as the free phpMyAdmin, which most
hosting companies provide as standard with a PHP/MySQL setup.

ASP is obsolescent - Microsoft stopped development in favour of ASP.NET
several years ago. PHP and MySQL are in much wider use than classic ASP.
I would say that the real competition is now between ASP.NET and PHP.
You can't use ASP.NET on a Mac, so PHP seems the obvious route to go
unless you're prepared to switch back to Windows.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

Report · Jan 07, 2007

It depends on how serious you are about ASP. If it's just a bit of fun, then
you could write the files on a MAC and then deploy the files to a Windows
server. But, if you want to take your ASP knowledge to any kind of level,
then it'd be advisable to get a PC.

--
Jules
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Charon Cart 3
Shopping Cart Extension for Dreamweaver MX/MX 2004

Report · Jan 07, 2007

Julian Roberts wrote:
> if you want to take your ASP knowledge to any kind of level,
> then it'd be advisable to get a PC.

Not wishing to start a "my server model is better than yours" type of
argument, would you recommend anyone to embark on serious development
with ASP these days? Classic ASP is no longer being developed by
Microsoft. Yes, it's still in widespread use, but its days must be
numbered. Surely any serious development must now be switched to ASP.NET
(or a different server model, such as PHP, ColdFusion, JSP, Ruby on
Rails, etc).

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

Report · Jan 13, 2007

So why David is Adobe not supporting ASP.NET server behaviors in a more serious way as they are with pushing CF or PHP ? Is that because of the close ties with Apple ? We all know how much love there is between Redmond and Cupertino

quote:

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
Julian Roberts wrote:
> if you want to take your ASP knowledge to any kind of level,
> then it'd be advisable to get a PC.

Not wishing to start a "my server model is better than yours" type of
argument, would you recommend anyone to embark on serious development
with ASP these days? Classic ASP is no longer being developed by
Microsoft. Yes, it's still in widespread use, but its days must be
numbered. Surely any serious development must now be switched to ASP.NET
(or a different server model, such as PHP, ColdFusion, JSP, Ruby on
Rails, etc).

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

Report · Jan 13, 2007

siegler wrote:
> So why David is Adobe not supporting ASP.NET server behaviors in a more serious
> way as they are with pushing CF or PHP ?

You would need to ask Adobe, but you seem to have conveniently forgotten
that ASP.NET 2.0 was released several months *after* Dreamweaver 8.
We'll have to wait until the release of the next version of Dreamweaver
to see whether Adobe is pushing any set of server behaviors in
preference to others.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

Report · Jan 13, 2007

quote:

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
siegler wrote:
> So why David is Adobe not supporting ASP.NET server behaviors in a more serious
> way as they are with pushing CF or PHP ?

You would need to ask Adobe, but you seem to have conveniently forgotten
that ASP.NET 2.0 was released several months *after* Dreamweaver 8.
We'll have to wait until the release of the next version of Dreamweaver
to see whether Adobe is pushing any set of server behaviors in
preference to others.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

NO I have not forgotten the fact that ASP.NET 2.0 came available after the release of DW 8
But even a programmer like Joseph Scavitto of UCII feels that Adobe may have given DW developers a more than a mere h int to focus more on PHP and CF. The latter logical but the first.... seems .. well perhaps I am wrong. But as a consumer I am not sure if I should be so glad that Adobe acquired MM... just yet.

Report · Jan 13, 2007

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:00:59 +0000 (UTC), "siegler"
<webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

>So why David is Adobe not supporting ASP.NET server behaviors in a more serious
>way as they are with pushing CF or PHP ?

Adobe pushing PHP? If only...
--
Steve
steve at flyingtigerwebdesign dot com

Report · Jan 13, 2007

quote:

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
Julian Roberts wrote:
> if you want to take your ASP knowledge to any kind of level,
> then it'd be advisable to get a PC.

Not wishing to start a "my server model is better than yours" type of
argument, would you recommend anyone to embark on serious development
with ASP these days? Classic ASP is no longer being developed by
Microsoft. Yes, it's still in widespread use, but its days must be
numbered. Surely any serious development must now be switched to ASP.NET
(or a different server model, such as PHP, ColdFusion, JSP, Ruby on
Rails, etc).

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

Are you sure?
I happen to know quite a few serious developers, like a few colleagues of mine that still develop pages based on
classic ASP for perhaps the same reasons as Julian gave.
And because it works fine. - checkout the pages of the bank I work for , it uses classic ASP in there webpages. SNS bank

Report · Jan 13, 2007

siegler wrote:
> Are you sure? The bank I work for uses classic ASP in there webpages.

I don't know if Microsoft has ever formally announced an end to the
development of classic ASP, but the most recent version (ASP 3.0) was
released in November 2000. Since then, all new development has been for
the ASP.NET platform. If you visit the Microsoft Developers' Network
site, there are no links on the main page to ASP resources. They all
point to ASP.NET. The new Expression Web program from Microsoft supports
ASP.NET 2.0, not ASP.

As I said originally, ASP is still in widespread use, so it's not going
to go away tomorrow, but Microsoft certainly seems eager to move
developers across to ASP.NET.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/

Report · Jan 07, 2007

well I am definitly not going back to pc. I love my mac so it looks like php is the way to go. Is MySQL expensive? Can it handle more concurrent users than access; if you know how many. I think access was like 30 users. I will be looking at doing online stores. Are thre any books that you would recommend to learn the language? Thanks again for you time and your help

Report · Jan 07, 2007

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 02:59:20 +0000 (UTC), "RSXDriver"
<350z-obx@cox.net> wrote:

>well I am definitly not going back to pc. I love my mac so it looks like php is
>the way to go. Is MySQL expensive?

It is open source and can be downloaded for free.

>Can it handle more concurrent users than
>access; if you know how many. I think access was like 30 users. I will be
>looking at doing online stores.

Yes but the actual number depends on a number of server and database
parameters. I have read of 350 concurrent connections on some
systems.

>Are thre any books that you would recommend to
>learn the language? Thanks again for you time and your help

For PHP, I recommend you look here:

http://www.foundationphp.com

David Powers has written some excellent books. PHP for Dreamweaver 8
might be ideal for you.

Also, one of the standard texts is PHP and MySQL Development by Luke
Welling & Laura Thomson. Excellent coverage of the topic and not
limited to the use of Dreamweaver.

Another good start is Learning PHP5 by David Sklar.

For MySQL, the definitive books (IMHO) are those by Paul DuBois.
Michael Kofler's book is also excellent.
--
Steve
steve at flyingtigerwebdesign dot com

Report · Jan 08, 2007

thank you very much for all of the info.

Report · Jan 08, 2007

One thing though, where can I download mysql for free. It cost a good amount of money on their website for the enterprise edition. That is the only one that I say. Is there another version for developing?

Report · Jan 08, 2007

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:09:41 +0000 (UTC), "RSXDriver"
<350z-obx@cox.net> wrote:

>One thing though, where can I download mysql for free. It cost a good amount of
>money on their website for the enterprise edition. That is the only one that I
>say. Is there another version for developing?

http://www.mysql.org/downloads/mysql/5.0.html

Scroll down towards the bottom (about 80% down the page) to get to the
Mac distributions.

Good luck.
--
Steve
steve at flyingtigerwebdesign dot com

Report · Jan 08, 2007

> It depends on how serious you are about ASP. If it's just a bit of fun,
> then
> you could write the files on a MAC and then deploy the files to a Windows
> server. But, if you want to take your ASP knowledge to any kind of level,
> then it'd be advisable to get a PC.

A mac is a PC. It can run Windows just fine.

But I agree with David, I wouldn't push ASP as an option much these days.

-Darrel

Report · Jan 08, 2007

> thank you very much for all of the info.

I would say PHP is definitely the way to go, but for the record, you can
install Windows on your Mac as well. That's why Macs are great for web
developers. You can easily run multiple OSes at the same time.

-Darrel

Report · Jan 08, 2007

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:43:18 -0600, "darrel" <notreal@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>> thank you very much for all of the info.
>
>I would say PHP is definitely the way to go, but for the record, you can
>install Windows on your Mac as well. That's why Macs are great for web
>developers. You can easily run multiple OSes at the same time.

Linux is deal for PHP/MySQL :-)
--
Steve
steve at flyingtigerwebdesign dot com

Report · Jan 08, 2007

One more question, it has 3 versions to download for the osx 10.4 version of mac. Power PC 32 bit, power pc 64 bit, and x86. Does anyone know if or which one of these will work with the mac with theintel processor?

Report · Jan 08, 2007

> Linux is deal for PHP/MySQL :-)

Well, you can run Linux on a Mac just fine too.

In fact, with a Mac, you can run OSX, Windows, and Linux all at the same
time if you wanted too. Obviously, you'd want to max out your RAM if you are
doing that. ;o)

-Darrel

Report · Jan 08, 2007

> One more question, it has 3 versions to download for the osx 10.4 version
> of
> mac. Power PC 32 bit, power pc 64 bit, and x86. Does anyone know if or
> which
> one of these will work with the mac with theintel processor?

If you have an intel processor, then that's the x86 one. PowerPC chips are
what Apple used to use before switching to intel.

x86 is just a generic way to say 'intel compatible' in the PC world.

-Darrel

Report · Jan 08, 2007

On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:09:41 +0000 (UTC), "RSXDriver"
<350z-obx@cox.net> wrote:

>One thing though, where can I download mysql for free. It cost a good amount of
>money on their website for the enterprise edition. That is the only one that I
>say. Is there another version for developing?

What website?

Remember: MS SQL != mySQL

Win
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Skype winifredday

Report · Jan 08, 2007

Win Day wrote:
> What website?
>
> Remember: MS SQL != mySQL

MySQL is available in two versions: Enterprise and Community. The
programs are the same, but the Enterprise version comes with lots of
support (or so I believe). The Community version is free, but comes with
no support.

This has always been the model for MySQL. However, MySQL has renamed the
licences and is pushing the commercial version far more vigorously than
before.

--
David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
Author, "Foundation PHP for Dreamweaver 8" (friends of ED)
Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
http://foundationphp.com/