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Has anyone noticed the server side panels are back in Dreamweaver 19.0 11193 Build?

Preran​, is this a mistake or is it a sign of things to come.


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Deprecated SB panels are back!

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Has anyone noticed the server side panels are back in Dreamweaver 19.0 11193 Build?

Preran​, is this a mistake or is it a sign of things to come.


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I do not have them.

2019 is supposed to auto-install extensions that existed in older versions though, so if you had reinstalled them into the previous version, they should be there in the new one as well.

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Thank you for your reply Jon. That could very well be the correct answer.

Not that it worried me, but in another forum (no, not that forum), someone else had complained about it not working. That's how I found out.


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They don't appear to be part of the base installation, unless maybe my installation isn't complete for some reason...

...but that could never happen though, right?

LOL!

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Easy way to check is to create a connection script.

If it is mysql then Dw has just imported your extension from a previous version.

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19 did not port my SB panels or extensions over from 17.

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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One never knows, they may have updated the SB's, after all in the user voice at the beginning of this year they said

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Thanks for writing in. We have fixed most of the issues with the extension and will soon be posting out a build on the Prerelease forum for you guys to try.

Although, the request to add support for MYSQLi and PHP7 has been added in our backlog and will be prioritized for future releases.

Regards,
Niharika Gupta
Adobe Dreamweaver

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pziecina  wrote

One never knows, they may have updated the SB's, after all in the user voice at the beginning of this year they said

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Thanks for writing in. We have fixed most of the issues with the extension and will soon be posting out a build on the Prerelease forum for you guys to try.

Although, the request to add support for MYSQLi and PHP7 has been added in our backlog and will be prioritized for future releases.

Regards,
Niharika Gupta
Adobe Dreamweaver

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We'll it might have been a very different story had Adobe listened and provided what was asked for, years ago, instead they are now faced with everyone jumping from a sinking ship. Can anyone rescue it from almost certain oblivion if those at Adobe continue to ignore those in a much better position to guide it forwards. At best it will die slowly unless they wise up........very very soon. Time is ticking. You would think this bit of software is currently being managed by some guy in his back bedroom, who develops apps part-time, instead of a multi-billion pound company.

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Can anyone rescue it from almost certain oblivion if those at Adobe continue to ignore those in a much better position to guide it forwards. At best it will die slowly unless they wise up........very very soon. Time is ticking.

The question is, who is in a much better position to guide it forward?

I rule myself out, as I would make it into the VS Pro, (the standard for programers) for web development. That would take it completely out of the market for many, (if not most) current users, though it would then, (just like VS Pro) have many more visual helper features for creating layouts, menus and UI components, (even css keyframe animations).

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pziecina  wrote

osgood_   wrote

Can anyone rescue it from almost certain oblivion if those at Adobe continue to ignore those in a much better position to guide it forwards. At best it will die slowly unless they wise up........very very soon. Time is ticking.

The question is, who is in a much better position to guide it forward?

I rule myself out, as I would make it into the VS Pro, (the standard for programers) for web development. That would take it completely out of the market for many, (if not most) current users, though it would then, (just like VS Pro) have many more visual helper features for creating layouts, menus and UI components, (even css keyframe animations).

True but it needs to go in one direction or another, its spent too many years in the wilderness, without much innovation of its earlier independent days shown, much of which was not down to Adobe. Once acquired it was mostly all down hill and the wheels came off, putting their faith in people who, well, were failures.

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Perhaps they are worried about Wappler's growth (1000+ subscribers in just a few months) and are trying to recover the lost time in the last 10 years.

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-Michele  wrote

Perhaps they are worried about Wappler's growth (1000+ subscribers in just a few months) and are trying to recover the lost time in the last 10 years.

I doubt they are worried about anything......they havent been in years despite the growth of products like Pinegrow, Wix, Webflow etc which have been around considerable longer than Wappler. Why would they start to concern themselves at this stage, that would have happened years ago if Adobe were seriously interested in competing in the web-development market, they are not, based on the evidence to date. Too many cooks.

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Wappler is different from Pinegrow, Wix, Webflow etc... Wappler is the software that would probably have made Macromedia already several years ago if they had not been bought by the devil.

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-Michele  wrote

Wappler is different from Pinegrow, Wix, Webflow etc...

Yeah, too right - at least the other 3 use industry recognised coding.

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I'm discussing about Wappler project/idea, and I like it.
Dreamweaver was born to allow people with low programming knowledge to build a full website, including all the necessary server behaviours.

Now Adobe has completely changed its target audience (coders) and... I don't like it anymore.
I'm a UX/UI designer but sometimes I need a tool as Wappler to build something with my creativity and with "database connection" without worrying too much of the php code.

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Thats obviously an issue when you dont  'worry' too much about the code because how do you know if what your automated program is producing is any good or not. Any one that is seriously considering web development for the long term should think long term, not short term.

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You're lucky, you don't need Wappler/WordPress/Drupal/etc.
Unfortunately I discovered that I was better as web graphic designer rather than programming, so I decided to focus on these topics.
However, congratulations, having all the skills at the highest levels like you is not easy.

Do you have any work on the web to show us so we can see a site really well done?

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-Michele  wrote

Dreamweaver was born to allow people with low programming knowledge to build a full website, including all the necessary server behaviours.

Now Adobe has completely changed its target audience (coders) and... I don't like it anymore.

Interesting take.

Dw in its original promotional ads, was not for those who had no coding knowledge, it was primarily to make building web sites using tables for layout easier for everyone, (just about every site back then used html tables, complete with lots of spacer gifs). It could also be used with html 3 and in-line styling, (css although originaly intended for use with html 3+ was not developed far enough to be included).

Server side code was also being developed, (mainly pearl or c scripts) then MS realeased what is now classic asp, which was mainly in MS's then web development offerings, but was included via users extensions in Dw about 1997, along with extensions for php, (still in its infancy then) eventually Macromedia adopted much of the code from user created extensions into its SB's.

Later on css became the standard for layouts, but none coders who previously used programs like fireworks and Ps to generate table layouts, were 'given' a feature which they could use, (ap divs driven) which created the myth Dw must be for none coders, because it generated such bad code.

At no time was Dw 'just for none coders', it became so to many people because of its extensions, such as those by PVII, which enabled those with little coding knowledge to continue producing web sites, which was fine, but then came mobile devices, which changed everything.

Dw tried to help none coders, but like many web editors, it has taken a 'death wish' course since rwd became a requirement, and the death of flash, (which was the only reason Adobe acquired Macromedia) was probably why Dw became an 'also ran' option to many.

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Its not luck, its about taking the time to learn a craft correctly assuming web development is something that one is considering as a career. If you do it puts you in a better position to adapt quickly  as things rapidly change within the industry rather than 'putting all your eggs in one basket'.

I dont have all the skills at the highest level but lve been sensible enough to have invested some time in gaining some basic skills, knowledge and understanding of what l do which l guess l would expect from anyone who wants to pursue a particular career.

Maybe things are different these days and long gone are the times when one considered a career as a long term prospect and committed to furthering ones skills rather than the here today, gone tomorrow, want it now society we seem to currently be suffering.

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Maybe you don't read carefully my (and others) posts (also on another forum, see last your discussion on Wappler website); about "... when one considered a career as a long term prospect..." I have a career and from 20+ years, I'm a web designer (UX/UI designer). I'm not a web developer because I don't have the skills (although over time I have acquired a good knowledge of various programming languages but not enough to consider me a coder) and this is the main reason because I used in these years Dreamweaver.
So, I repeat my question... do you have a web site built from you where can I see the code?

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I cant take anyone seriously who tries to inform me they are a 20 year plus ux designer/web developer who relies on a program that writes code using unconventional non recognised niche workflows.....the concerning thing is you most likely have never considered it or too ignorant to  know. From what lve read you cant even alter the action steps outside of the program as its likely to cause issues.

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I fully expect the spacer.gif to make a return at some point, why not, we have more divs now than ever before as a result of frameworks and more bloated code in general.......seems only logical to me to try and find  space to include 50 or so of those.

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Michelle wrote: ...do you have a web site built from you where can I see the code?

osgood wrote: I cant take anyone seriously who tries to inform me they are a 20 year plus ux designer/web developer....

If that isn't a passive aggressive responsive to a question, I don't know what is.  

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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Of course he/she won't show a website created by him/her as he/she is worried a "pizza maker" with absolutely no coding/web design/web development skills is creating better websites than him/her. Haven't you got it until now?

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https://forums.adobe.com/people/Nancy+OShea  wrote

If that isn't a passive aggressive responsive to a question, I don't know what is.  

I can't take anyone serious as a web developer who has time to update their personal web site. I mean, if your skills are in such demand, then how do you have the free time to update your site?

If you look at mine, you are seeing a site from 2002, (the content is from a series of articles I wrote for a magazine in 1991) with the only changes since then being experimenting with html5 semantics, and letting a couple of interns play with the menu system.

I would much prefer someone 'show' their skills by writting tutorials for developers to use, (+1 for Nancy in that respect). I have seen to many 'so called experts' over the years use or have developed for them templates, that they then present 'as their own',

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Do you seriously think that anyone that has to resort to using an app such as the one we are discussing is going to even know what coding should look like. If they dont know after 20 plus years then lm hardly going to change their opinion in a few minutes, especially as l cant show them a website built with Bootstrap.

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Humm so far the websites  lve seen created in Wappler are embrassing and l personally wouldnt have the afront to even show them they are that poor, both visually and coding wise. I think thats not particularly down to Wappler, just the kind of person that gravites towards that kind of program, usually neither coders or designers, the worst of both worlds at the moment but l would hope that would change if more graphic designers jump aboard.......at the moment l have no concern to be concerned about the pizza maker.

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Yeah dont get me started on templates..seems few these days produce anything that is original. There are some good template designs out there but most are very poorly coded for Bootstrap/Wordpress. Personally lve never found  templates useful  for any of my clients as their content and images are so far removed from the few lines a template shows coupled with the glossy images that it always looks nothing like the original template by the time one has finished or certainly a disappointing version of it. I always attempt to come up with bespoke designs which fit the content and imsges l have to use rather than try and shoehorn content into a template that doesnt really work.

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Humm so far the websites  lve seen created in Wappler are embrassing and l personally wouldnt have the afront to even show them they are that poor, both visually and coding wise. I think thats not particularly down to Wappler, just the kind of person that gravites towards that kind of program, usually neither coders or designers, the worst of both worlds at the moment but l would hope that would change if more graphic designers jump aboard.......at the moment l have no concern to be concerned about the pizza maker.

This is so indicative of a lilliputian mind ready to denigrate others with fallacious statements.


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osgood_   wrote

Humm so far the websites  lve seen created in Wappler are embrassing and l personally wouldnt have the afront to even show them they are that poor, both visually and coding wise. I think thats not particularly down to Wappler, just the kind of person that gravites towards that kind of program, usually neither coders or designers, the worst of both worlds at the moment but l would hope that would change if more graphic designers jump aboard.......at the moment l have no concern to be concerned about the pizza maker.

This is so indicative of a lilliputian mind ready to denigrate others with fallacious statements.

Its an opinion based on what I have so far seen to date and not false. If you can provide links to other sites built by users of the program then please do so to justify your views. I wont post the 3 that I know of but Im sure if I did a good percentage might agree with me. I have no wish to denigrate others and have actually given praise were its due when I see the few websites which have been posted in this particular forum which I would consider to be of a professional standard visually. Its not my fault you seem to have low expections.

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osgood_  wrote

BenPleysier   wrote

osgood_    wrote

Humm so far the websites  lve seen created in Wappler are embrassing and l personally wouldnt have the afront to even show them they are that poor, both visually and coding wise. I think thats not particularly down to Wappler, just the kind of person that gravites towards that kind of program, usually neither coders or designers, the worst of both worlds at the moment but l would hope that would change if more graphic designers jump aboard.......at the moment l have no concern to be concerned about the pizza maker.

This is so indicative of a lilliputian mind ready to denigrate others with fallacious statements.

Its an opinion based on what I have so far seen to date and not false. If you can provide links to other sites built by users of the program then please do so to justify your views. I wont post the 3 that I know of but Im sure if I did a good percentage might agree with me. I have no wish to denigrate others and have actually given praise were its due when I see the few websites which have been posted in this particular forum which I would consider to be of a professional standard visually. Its not my fault you seem to have low expections.

If that is the best that you can come up with to substantiate your claims, then I rest my case.


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BenPleysier  wrote

osgood_   wrote

BenPleysier    wrote

osgood_     wrote

Humm so far the websites  lve seen created in Wappler are embrassing and l personally wouldnt have the afront to even show them they are that poor, both visually and coding wise. I think thats not particularly down to Wappler, just the kind of person that gravites towards that kind of program, usually neither coders or designers, the worst of both worlds at the moment but l would hope that would change if more graphic designers jump aboard.......at the moment l have no concern to be concerned about the pizza maker.

This is so indicative of a lilliputian mind ready to denigrate others with fallacious statements.

Its an opinion based on what I have so far seen to date and not false. If you can provide links to other sites built by users of the program then please do so to justify your views. I wont post the 3 that I know of but Im sure if I did a good percentage might agree with me. I have no wish to denigrate others and have actually given praise were its due when I see the few websites which have been posted in this particular forum which I would consider to be of a professional standard visually. Its not my fault you seem to have low expections.

If that is the best that you can come up with to substantiate your claims, the I rest my case.

Well you have hardly been convincing otherwise. I've given an account of which I think is adequate to base my opinions. So sorry you're not happy with it.

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Yes of course that's what you'd say.

And pizza makers-policemen-taxi-drivers are able to deliver a better ux tan you.

Oh, funny thing.

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williamj31276244  wrote

Yes of course that's what you'd say.

Where is the link to your web site?

Mine is in my profile, (if you are interested, I'm not) and as I am not interested in 'getting approval or work', I will not bother posting it here.

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