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Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?

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In 2017 using Dreamweaver do you still hard-code your web design?

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Do you still hard-code using Dreamweaver?

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Nov 22, 2017

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Yup.

Except I use CC2015 for that, CC2018's code view is too glitchy for my liking.

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What code do you hard code with?  What steps did you take to master hard coding? Are you a designer as well?

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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I manually code my sites in html, css, javascript and php.

Every now and again, I'll use an off the shelf third party script or extension if I'm in a time crunch or the client wants a specific plug-in.

Like Nancy, I find DW's code hinting to be faster than trying to use the UI's dialogue boxes for most things. Aside from a handful of extension developers, who truly spend the time needed to make the interface option faster, DW's a bit of a dog when it comes to clicking through options and menus.

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AnotherMe  wrote

...What steps did you take to master hard coding? Are you a designer as well?


I started as a graphic designer and was eventually hired on at a company that used GoLive to make websites. As time went by and I couldn't find the "why" for something not working the way I wanted in the software, I started looking at code. The more code I learned, the more I found I didn't need the software to do things for me. GoLive was great for making something happen but terrible at making it happen efficiently.

When Adobe killed GL, I had enough html and css under my belt that moving to DW was a snap. The UI was decidedly "Macromedia" so I didn't like using it if I didn't have to. As a result, my coding skills got better. Then I came back to the forums. At that time, just around GL's death, this place was full of people asking how to do things that weren't built into DW. As I tried to help them, I was teaching myself how to do those things via code instead of clicking through the menu system hoping to find something similar to what they wanted.

It's nice not needing the program to get my work done. If the mood strikes me, I can happily plug along coding with Notepad and previewing in a browser with the free Filezilla for uploading. If it weren't for some of DW's site management tools, I probably wouldn't use it anymore either, but it comes free with a subscription to Photoshop, InDesign and Illustrator, so I might as well stick with it.

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I also started in graphics & print design.  But for fun, I dabbled a little with Basic and later HTML.

The big turning point for me was learning to think less like a print designer and more like a coder.  The things we do in print do not always translate well to the web.  So comprises & adjustments must be made.

I still use paper and pen to draw rough web page layouts for phone, tablet and desktop which I then re-create with code in Dreamweaver.

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
Alt-Web Design & Publishing

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Dreamweaver, or any other editor, I always manually code a website, no html frameworks, extensions or plugins. I personally think it pays off to do so in respect of being able to manipulate coding to dance to your tune, others will disagree and go down the route of using front-end frameworks, extensions etc. Each to their own, whatever the individual think is best for themselves but dont expect me to endorse using front-end frameworks, plugins and extensions based on years of experience and now enjoying all the freedom that being a skilled coder affords you.

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Pardon my question, but my manually coding do you mean hard coding?

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AnotherMe  wrote

Pardon my question, but my manually coding do you mean hard coding?

By 'hard coding' do you mean avoiding the DW helper panels and predominately 'design view', working the majority of the time in code view?

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I mainly work in Code View with HTML, CSS, jQuery or JavaScript, PHP and SQL.

If I'm adding content to an existing site  layout, I occasionally use Design or Live View. 

I never use the CSS Designer Panels.  For me, code hinting and auto-completion are much faster than panels.

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
Alt-Web Design & Publishing

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being addict to pen and rought paper, and coming from the plastic arts, it's hard to find a digital tool under hands... yes having multiple screens , a wacom and a video/sound system near

so I don't use DW to code... it is not well adapted for my workflow.

Dw is a great and unique tool to manage projects, have a general view of web sites and being able to quickly patch here and there some glitchs, dispatch sources files to the appropriate tools (on that point, the definition of a basic text editor that has been removed is severely lacking)...

for coding purpose which is one of my own principal activity, I use sublime text or visual... surrounded by tools like emmet, sass, some gems and of course a php framework based on WP/MariaDB. I often use ultraedit studio which offers a range of organizational tools quite remarkable

most of the time much of the tasks are handle by gulp, grunt or npm

but as I said above, DW remains an essential tool for the management and quick start of projects.

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It all boils down to using the right tool for the project at hand. Fortunately I find that I use Dreamweaver most of the time because it serves me best. With the inclusion of Less/Sass and Git along with extensions, I find that I am using other tools less and less. All we need now is a way to concatenate and minimise the JS files and we are home and hosed.


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https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

I often use ultraedit studio which offers a range of organizational tools quite remarkable

Couldn't get on with that one myself, personally - so we all obviously have very different tastes and workflows.

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I was using winmerge to compare files... but one day, it wasn't doing the job I was expecting... I do'nt remember what it was, neither I don't remember whose gave me the link to ultra edit... but at that time I gave it a try for the comparing features... woaw... I was impressed... and since, I've bought the studio ,and when I need to compare, folders, files, archives, PDF, docx... anything ultra edit is there around the corner...

then I discovered ultra find... and woaw again... so amazing (it find duplicate files as it eat its breakfast).... so depending on the task, I swap in between Bridge and Ultra Edit... but here again it is still around the corner...

the client FTP is not much than filezilla (at least for what I need from it), as much fast than FZ... (but any way soooooo faster that the DW's one) and ice on cake... it is sync with all the studio, and so between the previous results (from compare and find)...

but I don't try to convince anyone... I was just saying that everyday it save me hours and hours when clients call and send me project to rescue

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i hand code when I need to make my own... I use Dreamweaver when I need to fix someone elses code

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