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Does anyone have experience going SSL with a site with a lot of inner pages? What service did you use? Did you have to do redirects in advance to maintain you SEO search results? Thanks.

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Does anyone have experience going SSL with a site with a lot of inner pages? What service did you use? Did you have to do redirects in advance to maintain you SEO search results? Thanks.

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Once the certificate is active, in the .htaccess file put the following

RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on

RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} [L,R=301]

or

RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} 80

RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://examplesite.com/$1 [R=301,L]

Edit: I use Let's Encrypt, but there are many others out there, just Google the subject.


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Understand very little there.

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I've heard Let's Encrypt is very draining and non intuitive and requires a fresh round of nuisance every 3 months.

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Get in touch with your host, they may have a ready made solution for you.

To illustrate, this is my server which has the option to get a Let's Encrypt certificate.

Once the certificate has been obtained - instantaneously - the certificate can be attached to the web site and a redirection can be set without having to resort to entries in .htaccess

The certificate is valid for 3 months when it will be renewed automatically.

If your host is not as accommodating as mine, then Google the subject, get a certificate of your choice, apply it to your website and use the re-direct method as explained. With this, I have assumed that you are on an Apache type server. If you are on a Windows server, you will have to place the redirect in web.config.


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I use 'Let Encrypt' as well, any reasonable cPanel/Plesk hosting should have it installed by default and its quite easy to implement. If it doesnt work after clicking through the deployment procedure then contact your host....I had to on a couple of ocassions and they put it right in a few seconds.

After that, or before, you need to make sure any http:// links in your website are converted to https:// with the exception of external links to other sites, which you cant do anything about if they dont have a secure https:// url

Then as Ben has shown you need to include the rewrite direct code in your .htaccess file.

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None of this is helping at all as this is totally over my head and I have thousands of inner pages that will not work the minute the SSL does work that is if whoever I hire can even do the first part ok.

Godaddy who host is worthless. They charge a lot and know nothing. I've talked to 5-6 reps.

If anyone knows a great service I'll pay.

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Well we can only provide information as to how converting from http:// to https:// is achieved......at least you are armed with some background knowledge if you need to find someone to do this for you.

I guess whoever does this will need to do a sitewide find and replace - find http:// change to https:// but if you have links to external sites which use http:// you risk getting a message back from the server when those sites are visited, that the site you are visiting is not secure.

I don't know anything about Godaddy web hosting, what they provide in the way of a control panel and even if they have an .htaccess file. If you are using a Mictrosoft hosted server then the procedure is completely different, as it doesst have an htaccess file

Whatever...make sure you have a full-back up of your website before you start messing around with it.

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I use hostek.com, and they are set up to work with Let's Encrypt, AND they have the right things in place that you can have it set to automatically renew the certificate so you don't have to do ANYTHING every third month.

Very easy.

V/r,

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WolfShade  wrote

I use hostek.com, and they are set up to work with Let's Encrypt, AND they have the right things in place that you can have it set to automatically renew the certificate so you don't have to do ANYTHING every third month.

Very easy.

V/r,

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Yes, I get an email through saying a new certificate has been issued automatically or have been so far.........fingers crossed

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Yes, I get an email through saying a new certificate has been issued automatically or have been so far.........fingers crossed

You get an email?  Is there a setting, for that?  I don't get an email.

V/r,

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Thanks, I get two versions. One is total nightmare where thousands of my new SSL pages will have broken padlocks because many of the elements are not SSL well yet, and worse the hundreds of current search results all need thousands of manual redirects, and come up 404 until that is done -- losing biz.

But my old SEO consultant I spoke with today said he can do this simply with his developer-- automated in which everything easily should come out roses as Osgood is implying.

(I've been scared my an article I read -- few years old, suggesting the former situation)

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WolfShade  wrote

osgood_   wrote

Yes, I get an email through saying a new certificate has been issued automatically or have been so far.........fingers crossed

You get an email?  Is there a setting, for that?  I don't get an email.

V/r,

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I don't use hosetek but another hosting company who appear to send emails, Ive only had a couple to date as I've only just started converting my clients sites over to https:// but I expect t get more over the coming weeks, depending on where the certificate is in its life cycle.

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Thanks, I get two versions. One is total nightmare where thousands of my new SSL pages will have broken padlocks because many of the elements are not SSL well yet, and worse the hundreds of current search results all need thousands of manual redirects, and come up 404 until that is done -- losing biz.

But my old SEO consultant I spoke with today said he can do this simply with his developer-- automated in which everything easily should come out roses as Osgood is implying.

(I've been scared my an article I read -- few years old, suggesting the former situation)

You sound like I sounded a few months back, had zero idea of what I was doing or what it was all about.

It turned out to be fairly simple in the end but I dont have thousands of pages so I guess that could be a bit daunting but as I say if you back your site up an do a sitewide find and repalce that should account for a lot of the work you will need to do.

Most credible sites these days will have already converted and have been using https:// for a long time so if you do have external links to them it should not be an issue, its your own internal links you need to update.

Godaddy must be able to provide a service which can update your hosting to use a secure connection.

I dont thnk you should worry too much about Google - none of the sites I converted so far have suffered from it, they are still highly ranked and now listed as https:// rather than http://

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For future projects, if you're not developing in https://, then use relative paths for everything local, then use protocol agnostic links for external sites (ie, instead of "http://www.anothersite.com/aboutus/index.htm", remove the "http:" and use "//www.anothersite.com/aboutus/index.htm") so that you don't have to add the "s".  Links that begin with "//" automatically use the protocol that the page is using.

V/r,

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Thanks Wolf, maybe understood 10% of your post.

Once this nightmare is over:... then when I make new pages in DW are those S? ....

Limitations of talking through a computer.

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http and https are protocols - unencrypted and encrypted, respectively.  What I mean by "protocol agnostic" is that when you use protocol agnostic links, the browser will automatically use whichever protocol the page is loading through.  So, if you develop in unencrypted, but your production is encrypted, you don't have to "hard code" the protocol into the links - the browser will use the protocol for those links that the browser is using.  So, if all of your external hyperlinks (links to any domain outside of yours) begin with slash-slash (//), and the browser is in http, those links will be in http.  If the browser is in https (SSL or TLS secured), then the external links will use https.  That way, you can write code for both without having to change http to https when pushing to production.

HTH,

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This link below will get you started with SSL Certs on GoDaddy hosting.  Domain validation is probably all you need.

SSL Certificate | Secure Your Data & Transactions - GoDaddy

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
Alt-Web Design & Publishing

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Thanks Nancy none of this help. My site has thousands of inner pages and and sub wordpress sites, blog.. And I just go off the phone with someone in the biz and he says, even after the SSL. many of pages with have 1/2 a palock and elements may need to be fixed, and worse, the hundreds of search hundred of results will get 404s. Total nightmare. Is there any consultant service that can help?

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larry4545  wrote

and worse, the hundreds of search hundred of results will get 404s. Total nightmare. Is there any consultant service that can

That should not happen as any search list which still has the old http:// listed will get automatically directed to the new https:// url assuming you use the re-write code in the htaccess file. Google will eventually update itself to include https://........so it should not effect your listing position or popularity

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I think you're making more of this than it is.   Mixed content (http & https) is something every web site has to contend with when they first get SSL certs.   You will sort it out eventually.   You can also let Google know what your preferred url  is (HTTPS with or without WWW) via your webmaster tools console. 

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larry4545  wrote

What service did you use?

I used NameCheap.com and purchased a 1 year Comodo SSL.  The price was reasonable and their knowledgeable was extremely helpful.

https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/category.aspx/14/ssl-certificates

Important: Decide how many domains you need to cover with SSL.  For example,  mysite.com, www.mysite.com, login.mysite.com, mail.mysite.com, etc...  You would probably want to get a Multi-Domain or Wildcard Certificate to cover all.

https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates.aspx

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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www.mysite.com, login.mysite.com, mail.mysite.com, etc...

Oh no! Another thing..

Never heard of that before. make note; never end. My big worry is the 2000 search results that come up and not getting 404s

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larry4545  wrote

My big worry is the 2000 search results that come up and not getting 404s

Stop worrying.  After your certificate is installed and activated, your web pages reside on both http and https.  So there will be no 404 errors from SERPs unless you actually delete files from your server. 

When you redirect all incoming traffic from HTTP to HTTPS with your .htaccess file, it will be ttoally seamless.   As an example, go to my website (alt-web.com) type HTTP:// in the address bar.   It resolves automatically to HTTPS://

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Thanks Nancy that is comforting. My site had thousand inner files, and also now 6 wordpress subsites inside.

I got a walk up call, because in reverse, I got rid of a site that had SSL on in and did a redirect to my current main site that does not. But whien I click on bookmarks for it one gets "non secure site page"..  Godaddy, says I now have to put SSL on that site and do a force redirect. Not had time yet.

A consultant has said to me  " I've read about sites that lost half their organic traffic for months, although I haven't seen that happen myself "

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PS Nancy, your site looks great. But here is a blog post. I put in in bar without the S

Alt-Web Design & Publishing: Timeline with Bootstrap and Tabbed Panels

and it goes to page that says not secure.

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PSS Nancy, but the old non S versions will be deleted from the server no? Once they do the SSL, all my old files on the server will be replaced with the new S version no?

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Wolf, very hard to understand that. If you have a private email, phone, would love to hear about it live..

Are you saying that after the SSL is done my old pages on server don't have the S added to them, the paths? I'm under impression that the SSL process change the actual files names everywhere adding an S in all filenames

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The browser automatically prepends the protocol that the browser is currently using to the beginning of the external links, if the links begin with //.  I'm not sure I can explain it any more simple than that.  If you use protocol agnostic links and your site is currently http, then the browser will automatically use http for those links.  When your site changes to https, the browser will automatically use https for those external links.  You won't have to change anything, it will be automatic.

V/r,

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larry4545  wrote

But here is a blog post. I put in in bar without the S

Alt-Web Design & Publishing: Timeline with Bootstrap and Tabbed Panels

and it goes to page that says not secure.

My Blog is hosted on Google's servers so it's not under my control.   But thanks for alerting me. 

HTTP and HTTPS are not different servers.  They are different protocols on the same server.   Filenames remain the same.  The only change is the protocol.

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Nancy asked to Wolf, but got a convoluted long reply I could not understand. I'll try again with you:

Are you saying that after the SSL is done my old pages on server don't have the S added to them, the paths? I'm under impression that the SSL process change the actual files names everywhere adding an S in all filenames

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I'm under impressions that when go SSL all files names (I see with my own eyes in the bar have S), saying the thousands of files names on my server wont have an S put into them)?, and the files names on my local copy eventually wont have S in them?

Help me out...

And then why when I just did a redirect on site with S, that bookmarked link is now nsecure (and vanishing from Google results)

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  • A protocol is http or https.
  • A domain is example.com
  • A filename is index.html or about.html or contact.html

If your site contains many absolute links  (protocol + domain + filename)

http:// example.com / index.html,

then you will need to manually resolve all such links to https:// protocol or do what WolfShade suggested and use protocoal agnostic links with just slashes  // example.com / index.html

Hopefully your site does not contain absolute links in which case you're golden.

Once activated, the SSL cert will provide you with both http and https protocols.

PS.  I fixed  my blog.  Evidently, I neglected to set the redirect option to ON.  Thanks.

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
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super confusing by computer.

My files names am I looking in Dreamweaver or the finder? I see everything. mostly http:// www.mysite.com

This should be adjust in DW before doing this then?

Cannot understand Wolfs writing

I think I have absolute links, again this is super confusing. Isn't funny how whoever designed the internet made is such a mess of conflicting options?

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I think of a file name as what see in the address bar of firefox, usually has http://www.website.com

Those are not the file names?

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Look at DW Files Panel.   In my screen capture below,  I have 4 assets folders and one file named index.html.  You don't see any http or domain name do you?    

CC-StarterPageAssets.jpg

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Nancy, I have those 4 folders, but not at top, alphabetical.

I have an index. html also for years, that becomes the homepage.

No, I don't see my domain name inside that list, but when I click on files there I see the domain name with the full http://www etc in the properties bar fields.

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and in Mac finder, never any  www. or http ever in file names.   some end with htm some end with html   never understood why 2 endings.

But when they go live on web then I see http://  or just www.  or sometimes just file name...

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HTTP and domain name are added by your server.

When previewed in browser on local computer, you don't see either the protocol or the domain name.

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Thanks, Nancy, 20 years with website, never known that. But I'm artist idiot...

Someone, SEO guy I think a did a mini audit a month ago,  and said I have mixed http:// and www, and http without slashes. Where do I see that, and how easy to fix. Bit over my head.

Will fixing it effect my search result links when people click on search results-- ie, create 404's?

I see ht access file in there. Did I put that there in past or automated by DW? Not conversant how to use it. (in fact I think it's invisible in Mac finder, isn't that nice!)

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Preiview says

file:///DOCUMENTS-name/WEB%20SMALL/My%20Website/fa51.html

What is  20% stuff??

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On the web, spaces are converted to %20 entities.  For this reason, you should avoid using spaces in folder and filenames.  Use underscroes _ or hyphens - instead.

Dreamweaver does not generate .htaccess files.  Originally, It probably came from your web server or perhaps somebody created it for you.

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Is your URL at  Google  with or without the www prefix?

Go to your browser address bar and type

site:yourdomain.com

If you see very few results, try it with the www prefix.

Use whichever gives you the most results on Google.

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Nancy, what mean by most results. When I do both the homepage comes up for both.

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How many results do you see on top of the Google SERP?

I'm seeing about 95 page results for my domain without www.  I see 0 results for my domain with www. 

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
Alt-Web Design & Publishing

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ok Nancy I need to add site:

Will test now

You have brought up another interesing thing:

IN DW when I make links sometimes I drag to a file  internal link.  Which then no protocol as you point out. And other times I just  copy past in http:// www.website.com

external, and also http:// www.mywebsite.com -- my websites- into the link field property bar fields. Is the bad?

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Nancy , went to google, and with search

www   1560

http://www.  same at 1560

http://site  (no www)   2770

website.com (nothing, no http or www), also 2770

What do? What recommend?

Also still curios on this issue:

You have brought up another interesting thing:

IN DW when I make links sometimes I drag to a file  internal link.  Which then no protocol as you point out. And other times I just  copy paste in http:// www.website.com

external, and also http:// www.mywebsite.com -- my websites- into the link field property bar fields. Is the bad?

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It's important for your site(s) to be consistent.  Yours is kind of all over the place.

Drop the WWW prefix now because Google penalizes you for having duplicate content on 2 different domains.  In your .htaccess file, redirect all www traffic to your domain without www.

# Remove www from any URLs that have them:

RewriteEngine on

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www\.

RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://yoursite.com/$1 [R=301,L]

Also tell Google that you prefer links without the www prefix via your webmaster console.  It will take about 1 month to resolve this.

In the meantime, you should fix the mixed links mess in your website.  Perform a find and replace to remove http and www links --  except of course to external URLs.

Nancy O'Shea, ACP
Alt-Web Design & Publishing

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