FrameMaker to IDML?

Community Beginner ,
Jun 06, 2022 Jun 06, 2022

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Hello.

Is it possible to convert FM source files or published output into IDML?

Thank you.

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Adobe Employee , Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022
I'm not aware of any translation tool that does not ship with both IDML and MIF filters out-of-the-box. All these tools support IDML and MIF on a very good level. However, regarding XLIFF, I strongly suggest to move to an XLIFF-based translation workflow. Adobe supports XLIFF-based translation in both RoboHelp and FrameMaker since the Summer 2020 release. In a webinar earlier this year, we explained how this works, and why it is important to go the XLIFF route over MIF: https://go-global-with-fm-and-rh-2022.meetus.adobeevents.com/...

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Enthusiast ,
Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022

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Yes it is. If you convert from MIF.

https://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid

I have tried it and it works execellent.

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022

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Thank you, StudioSm

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022

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We would send IDML files to be translated, so I should have also asked whether it is possible to convert the translated IDML files back into MIF / FM files.

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Enthusiast ,
Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022

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I don't think so. And not a route I would advice take anyways. The document model of FrameMaker and InDesign are quite different. So while you CAN have your FM document converted to IDML, the result does come with some caveats and should be used when you have need to change publishing system. But is not usable as part of a general workflow.

Are you contemplating this solution because your translator prefers to work in InDesign?

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022

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After writing that, it dawned on me that we actually don't have any reason to convert the translated IDML files back into MIF / FM files. To whomever I pass along the MIF files will open them and save them as IDML files. Then, they will open the translated IDML files, do whatever they have to do, and publish them to PDF.
I don't know whether the translation service prefers to work in InDesign, but it looks like only Marketing documents are currently translated. That could explain why they send IDML files out for translation.
Again, thank you very much.

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Enthusiast ,
Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022

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You're welcome. Another option is to export your fm documents to XLIFF and send that to the translation agency. Then they can can do the translation and send you back the translated XLIFF files. You import the translation in FM and produce the final PDF files. This route will avoid what layout changes that will appear in the FM->IDML process.

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022

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XLIFF? Never heard of it. I think you made it up. Just kidding.

It looks like another workable and possibly better solution.

Thank you, again, StudioSm.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 07, 2022 Jun 07, 2022

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Hi,

 

Yes. XLIFF is another option. However, for a new workflow I would always make a test! Export to XLIFF, send the files to the translation agency, ask them to do some changes and send everything back. Then you can test, if you can import the changed XLIFF file without any issues.

The translation agency should also check, if their translation memory can be applied without any reductions.

 

Translation agency and MIF:

Some translation memory systems need a special filter for InDesign IDML or MIF files. If they have only the InDesign filter, they would have to buy the MIF filter as well. This might be a reason, why they would prefer IDML files.

 

 Best regards

 

Winfried

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Community Beginner ,
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OK. Thank you, Winfried.

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I'm not aware of any translation tool that does not ship with both IDML and MIF filters out-of-the-box. All these tools support IDML and MIF on a very good level.

However, regarding XLIFF, I strongly suggest to move to an XLIFF-based translation workflow. Adobe supports XLIFF-based translation in both RoboHelp and FrameMaker since the Summer 2020 release.

In a webinar earlier this year, we explained how this works, and why it is important to go the XLIFF route over MIF: https://go-global-with-fm-and-rh-2022.meetus.adobeevents.com/

 

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Community Beginner ,
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Thank you, Stefan.

I haven't had - nor do I want to have - any discussions with the external translation service. This initiative came from Product Management and Marketing will execute it. I'm in R&D. 😉

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In Wikipedia there is a comparison of translation memory systems. According to this list at least the major applications have filters for MIF and IDML.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_computer-assisted_translation_tools

 

However, e.g. on the STAR website they say that filters for DTP formats are available only in Transit NXT Professional. I did not check other applications.

I know that a few years ago filters for MIF or InDesign were available only as extra. It could be that now most applications provide these filters without extra costs.

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