I have some problematic character styles that I believe are causing some paragraph styles from staying when I close and reopen the document.
There are several character styles that are checked (and I presume applied to a paragraph style) and I believe it is causing paragraph styles to not stay when I close and reopen the document. I am a point that every time I close the document and open it again, the application of the paragraph style disappears, despite the fact that when I select the text, the paragraph catalog shows that the style is applied, and shows the style has all the correct properties in the paragraph catalog (it shows the paragraph style as a 6pt font, but the text appears as 9 point).
I'm assuming the problem has to do with something in the character styles. So i'm trying to uncheck the character styles. Also, ive even tried to delete some of these character formats and I've gone through the process of doing so, and the delete doesn't take effect.
I've looked on the internet to try to solve this problem, and all I find are outdated solutions that show a "delete" button at the bottom of the character catalog panel. I don't want to delete it. I just want to un-apply it because it's causing trouble, I think. Also, the "delete" button does not exist in the version of FrameMaker I have (2020).
Thank you for your help.
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Paragraph styles and character styles function completely independently of each other, except in auto-numbering, where a character style can be nested in a paragraph style.
But isn't Gear Reducers a cross reference (X-ref)? I think the X-ref is calling in the character style, which explains why you can't remove it without editing either the cross reference, or the character style it is calling in.
In my example below, the text is huge (12 pts) because the character s
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Click on the little gear icon on the catalog. I suspect the styles are being filtered. You should see a default paragraph font setting at top.
Sorry to be dense, but what do I do once I open this window?
I've played around in this window a bit and nothing seems to solve the problem.
Hello,
Thank you for your help. I did exactly what you said. This is what I start with. The text is 9 point, despite the fact that the style that is assigned to it has 6 pt font.
I triple-clicked on the paragraph, and selected "default font."
And then I went back and re-applied the style.
Note how the paragraph designer shows the style to be a 6 point font, but it is displays as a 9 point font. This is why I think there is something going on with character styles, because everything seems fine with the paragraph style. I've also tried removing all defaults.
Anyway, I saved the file, re-opened it, and the paragraph I "fixed" in the last session is back to being 9 point, despite triple clicking, selecting "default font," and re-applying the paragraph style.
Any thoughts? I mean, I could just "default font" that part of the document everytime I open it, but I'd really like to get to the bottom of what is happening. Thank you.
You need to triple click and select the ENTIRE paragraph including the end symbol.
In your screen capture, you don't have the paragraph symbol selected.
Hi Rick,
I actually did triple click and included the paragraph symbol, but it wasn't in my screenshot for some reason. But I'll show you again with the paragraph symbol definitely selected:
I'm show the next step, selecting "default font," with the full paragraph selected, but when I click on "default font," the paragraph mark de-selects the paragraph mark.
And after I click "default font.":
Then I triple click on the paragraph again:
And go to the paragraph designer, with the entire paragraph selected:
And I re-apply the paragraph style, and the paragraph mark gets de-selected after I do that:
I save the document, close it, then re-open it:
And it's right back to the wrong font, as though I'd not changed anything:
The text is 9 point, but note the paragraph designer says 6 point, which is the size i want.
Also note that when I go to the character designer, no style is even applied, even though I definitely applied it before I saved and closed the file, like I didn't change anything in my previous session (I have performed this series of tasks about 6 times and only ever get this result):
Paragraph styles and character styles function completely independently of each other, except in auto-numbering, where a character style can be nested in a paragraph style.
But isn't Gear Reducers a cross reference (X-ref)? I think the X-ref is calling in the character style, which explains why you can't remove it without editing either the cross reference, or the character style it is calling in.
In my example below, the text is huge (12 pts) because the character style <Emphasis> is being called into the X-ref definition. It doesn't show in the Character Catalog and all indicators show that it is 6 pt even though it is now 12 pt.
But now that I know the X-ref is assigned Emphasis, I can select Emphasis in the Character Designer, and modify the definition. Update style will update all usages of Emphasis, including the ones associated with the X-refs. Alternatively, I could have removed <Emphasis> from the X-ref definition, since your paragraph style is handling the color, underline and size.
~Barb
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