Landscape and portrait in same book

Report · Feb 18, 2011

I'm currently in version 8. In Version 7, I successfully built a book which swaps portrait and landscape oriented pages by using Paragraph tags. I thought I would start with this book as a template for a new project.

Most of my new project (book) will have portrait orientation, but not all of it. I would like to use a 2 Column layout in some chapters, but Frame won't let me and says "cannot use the Column Layout command because the document uses rotated pages".

Ideas?

Thanks,

Theresa

Report · Feb 18, 2011

BestScenes wrote:
I'm currently in version 8. In Version 7, I successfully built a book which swaps portrait and landscape oriented pages by using Paragraph tags. I thought I would start with this book as a template for a new project.
Most of my new project (book) will have portrait orientation, but not all of it. I would like to use a 2 Column layout in some chapters, but Frame won't let me and says "cannot use the Column Layout command because the document uses rotated pages".
Ideas?
Thanks,
Theresa

See my old thread: http://www.techwr-l.com/archives/9710/techwhirl-9710-00366.html

HTH

Regards,

Peter

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Report · Feb 19, 2011

Peter, www.techwr-l.com is offline.

Report · Feb 19, 2011

BestScenes wrote:
Peter, www.techwr-l.com is offline.

Hmmm... I searched Google last night and found the link and went to it with no problem, to verify that it worked and that it was appropriate. But, as you note, today, the link fails. So, briefly, here's the issue and the fix, unless I'm misremembering something:

* The issue is that editing a rotated FrameMaker page with a text frame on it sometimes causes frustration, especially for tables in the text frame. This is because FrameMaker seems to remember the page's former unrotated orientation, and the frame's current rotated orientation.

* The fix is to rotate the page and unrotate the text frame. You can create a new master page this way and apply it to body pages, or change an existing master page.

I don't have FrameMaker available now, but I think the steps are:

* Create a new master page using an existing master-page layout.

* Rotate the page whichever direction you want.

* Select the main text frame and note its dimensions in the Graphics > Object Properties dialog box. Exit the dialog box.

* Rotate the selected text frame back to the original orientation. The header and footer text frame positions and other page objects will not change, for the moment.

* Use Graphics > Object Properties to exchange the height and width of the selected frame, to return it to its former orientation. Double click inside it to assure that the text cursor blinks in the upper-left corner (or whichever corner you want the text to originate from.)

* Reposition the header and footer text frames and other background page objects as necessary.

* To apply multiple-column properties to the master-page text frames, as Arnis notes, set them via Object Properties.

Text in the main text flow will flow through from portrait to landscape pages and back to portrait, and so on. Unlike rotated text frames on rotated pages, tables and anchored frames on pages created with the above method will be editable; you can't edit tables and anchored frames on the "regular" rotated pages unless you unrotate the pages.

HTH

Regards,

Peter

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Report · Feb 19, 2011

Thanks, Peter, I'm going to try this. With my original document, the issue was that I could not get a landscape master page unless I created a document set up as landscape, i.e. no way to create the master page. So I created a landscape document and then rotated some master pages to be portrait. Your reply sounds like I would not need to rotate the original master pages.

I'll let you know how it works out.

Thanks very much for your help.

Report · Feb 21, 2011

BestScenes wrote:
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HTH

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Peter

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Report · Feb 18, 2011

Theresa,

On the Master pages, select the text frame (ctrl+click), then using the Object Properties, set the column parameters.

Set the properties for each text frame on the Master pages that you want the columns on. This by-passes the FM "helpful" Column Layout safeguards.

Report · Feb 19, 2011

Arnis,

This looks like it's going to be the correct answer eventually, but I'm now getting a message "A flow tag already exists on this page. Use another flow tag or add this flow to an existing one"

It's true that I am not planning to mix a 2 Column page and 1 Column page in the same chapter, but I will start with 1 Column, move to 2 Column and then return to 1 Column. Can I go from flow A to B to A? Where can I find out more about flows?

Many thanks,

Theresa

Report · Feb 20, 2011

Theresa,

Are you adding text frames to your master pages? Otherwise you shouldn't be getting this message. You need to adjust the existing text frame.

The body text frames, i.e. those were you place your content on Body pages, belong to a flow. FM supports multiple flows, i.e. independent text frames can hold different content. Usually, you only use a single flow document, "A" by default. If you add a text frame to your Master page, FM asks if you want this as a background or flow frame. Background frames cannot have content inserted in them on Body pages. These are typcally used for headers and footers.

See the FM help on multi-flow documents for more info: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/Chap11-Pagelayout-Templates_33.html

You should be able to add Landscape pages to any document with a Portrait set-up by rotating the added Master page. See Scriptorium's training wiki for details on how to add a Landscape Right pge:

http://wiki.scriptorium.com/tiki-index.php?page=Adding+the+LandscapeRight+master+page