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Odd List Order in the Paragraph Catalog

New Here ,
Jul 18, 2008 Jul 18, 2008

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I set up the paragraph catalog in FrameMaker 8, running on Windows XP. All listings were in alphabetical order, top-to-bottom. After logging on to the computer with a new user account and starting up FM, the paragraph catalog re-ordered itself into an odd mix of forward and backward alphabetical order.

Distinct letter ordering is still forward ("a" is listed above "b" which is in turn above "c"). This occurs for any combination of distinct letter groups ("bab" above "bcm" above "rlm" above "rxxx").

Reverse order occurs with repeat letter groups ("hhhh" above "hhh" above "hh" above "h") and with spaces ("bil" above "bi"). This reverse ordering is stopped by distinct letters (even though "bco" is above "bc", these both are above the following two: "blbn" and "blb". However, "blbn" is above "blb", which is reverse order again.)

This odd mix of reverse ordering inside forward ordering extends to keystroke recognition, which completely negates the use of keyboard shortcuts. When typing F9-h-h (to invoke the tag "hh H2" for Heading 2), the system proposes "hhhh" (tag "hhhh H4" for Heading 4) before tags with fewer h's ("hhh", "hh", and "h"). The system won't recognize the fewer letters.

After originally setting up the catalog, the odd reversing never took place and key recognition worked correctly. This brings up two questions:

1. How can this odd reversing be undone and complete top-to-bottom alphabetical order be restored?

2. Can users control the ordering of catalog listing to increase functionality by decoupling the keystroke mnemonic from the tag name (typically accomplished by entering the keystroke value in a separate field) and/or by decoupling the tag name from the catalog list position (manually move tags up or down the catalog regardless of tag name)?

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Jul 20, 2008 Jul 20, 2008

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Patrick, which specific point version of FM8, from Help > About, the "pxxx" numbers. Also, are you on XP SP2 or SP3?

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Jul 21, 2008 Jul 21, 2008

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Sheila,

FM8 is running on Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition. (It has SP2 installed.) The FM version is 8p277 (or 8.0.4).

Thank you for your help,

Patrick

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Jul 21, 2008 Jul 21, 2008

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I'm grasping at a few straws here, all of which you probably have already thought of, but fwiw:

1. are you running the FM server version (I don't know if the version numbers are the same as for Desktop)

2. can you save the FM file as .mif and open it in FM7 (same or different system) with both users; if so, is the catalog order correct

3. could the new user have been set up with a different language or keyboard preference (in Windows) that might be confusing things

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Jul 21, 2008 Jul 21, 2008

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Sheila,

I'll find out about the first two. Regarding the third item, I have my keyboard set to Dvorak in the Windows Control Panel/Regional and Language Options.

I'll test whether switching back to QWERTY effects any changes and get back to you.

Patrick

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Jul 21, 2008 Jul 21, 2008

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Sheila,

Item 2: Would a test of saving it as an .mif file and then opening it in FM 8 be a constructive test?

Item 3: I switched to QWERTY, set it as the default keyboard, and restarted the machine.

Upon opening the FM file, the pg catalog was still in the odd order. I then renamed a tag (from "h H1" to "hhhh H1"). The tag moved up above the tag "hhhh H4" which is still the odd order: it should be above that tag since 1 comes before 4, but both of those tags should be below "hhh H3" and "hh H2". The two hhhh tags are above the hhh and hh tags.

I don't think this is the issue because I originally created the tag names with a Dvorak keyboard active and the catalog order was correct and F9 keystrokes worked properly. Until logging on as a new user.

I'll test whether logging on as the old user resets the list.

Patrick

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Jul 22, 2008 Jul 22, 2008

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Logging on as the old user did not correct the ordering. Starting with an Adobe template and renaming tags did not correct the ordering.

I think the next thing to do is re-install FM8.

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Jul 22, 2008 Jul 22, 2008

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If a reinstall doesn't cure what ails it, I'd urge you to file a report with Adobe directly.

Also, in case other forum folks could run comparison tests, would you be able to give us a list of paratag names (10? 20?) that you're getting the odd results with, so that we can all be reporting on the same "test suite"?

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