Pagination Question

[cll-littleton]

Hi All!

Of course I am working on a Sunday and will probably have no one in this forum to help with this question. I need to have to non-paginated pages (no page numbers) before the document actually starts on page 1.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

I am using FM 7.1 (I wish all my clients had updated FM), on XP2.

Thanks,

Cindy

[Art Campbell]

The easiest way to do this is to have your front matter in a separate file in the book.

Assuming a separate file, you can modify the header/footer of the front matter chapter to not include a page number variable AND, in the book file, set the numbering properties of the first chapter with content to begin at page 1.

Art

[cll-littleton]

Geez Art, don't you ever take any time off?

I can always count on you.

But as far as you know, there isn't anyway within one single document to actually have the physical page 3 start as page 1?

[Art_Campbell1]

;-  )  I was offline for a couple days....

Depends on your definition of "document," which in Frame usually means a book file containing components. If you want it to mean a single file, that's slightly different.

OK, if you don't want the easiest way (recommended) usnig separate component files, you can probably kludge something with the paragraph numbering in the tag that you use for your footer. But you won't be using the built-in page numbering variables, so you're going to create another herd of problems because not using them will break TOC, Index, and other built in tools that depend on them. So it's going to create more work than if you do it Frame's way...

But if you're sure you want to do it, I'd try setting up different master pages that include a para tag that doesn't include an auto-number setting and master pages that do...  Then assign each one to the appropriate pages and see if that works. I haven't tried it, but that's the way I think I'd try it.

[peter minneapolis · Accepted solution]

Art_Campbell wrote:

;-  )  I was offline for a couple days....

Depends on your definition of "document," which in Frame usually means a book file containing components. If you want it to mean a single file, that's slightly different.

OK, if you don't want the easiest way (recommended) usnig separate component files, you can probably kludge something with the paragraph numbering in the tag that you use for your footer. But you won't be using the built-in page numbering variables, so you're going to create another herd of problems because not using them will break TOC, Index, and other built in tools that depend on them. So it's going to create more work than if you do it Frame's way...

But if you're sure you want to do it, I'd try setting up different master pages that include a para tag that doesn't include an auto-number setting and master pages that do...  Then assign each one to the appropriate pages and see if that works. I haven't tried it, but that's the way I think I'd try it.

FrameMaker in the past was able to use negative page numbers that counted down to zero, then go positive. I don't have FrameMaker available now, but give it a try. Use a master page that doesn't display page numbers for the negative and zero pages.

HTH

Regards,

Peter

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[Michael_Müller-Hillebrand-basb]

Peter,

this is one of the things that needs someone speaking it: It works. I just tested negative starting page numbers with FrameMaker 7.1 and FrameMaker 9 as well. They roll over from -1, 0, 1 and so on.

- Michael

[peter minneapolis]

Michael MH wrote:

Peter,

this is one of the things that needs someone speaking it: It works. I just tested negative starting page numbers with FrameMaker 7.1 and FrameMaker 9 as well. They roll over from -1, 0, 1 and so on.

- Michael

Thanks for confirming that my solution solves the problem, Michael.

Regards,

Peter

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[cll-littleton]

Well, the negative numbers did the trick for me. Thanks...I would have never thought of negative numbers.

Again, thanks, thanks, thanks!

Cindy

[peter minneapolis]

cll-durango wrote:

Well, the negative numbers did the trick for me. Thanks...I would have never thought of negative numbers.

Again, thanks, thanks, thanks!

Cindy

Just another case of "less is more."

BTW, I figured this out long, long ago, when I noticed some of the sample templates in an early FrameMaker release began on page zero. You could say that I just "put two and two together," but I really put zero and one together.

Regards,

Peter

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