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Reference? Label? Image cutoff? I dont know...

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Feb 09, 2023 Feb 09, 2023

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Caution Error.jpg

I am using FM for the first time to modify the file from my customer.
Do you know how to resolve the Caution label (image) as shown in the image?

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Feb 09, 2023 Feb 09, 2023

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If that is an imported-by-reference object, what file type is it?

Apart from the distortion, I'm wondering if it meets regulatory and/or industry standards for CAUTION colors (if a color document).

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Feb 09, 2023 Feb 09, 2023

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type is ".pcx"

And, not really sure it is from industry standards. 

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Feb 09, 2023 Feb 09, 2023

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Hi,

 

I had not used pcx. Therefore I do not know, how well it is supported.

Could you switch to a vector format and save as SVG or PDF? This is definitely better than a raster format.

What's your FrameMaker version? The graphics filters are always improved, especially SVG.

 

Best regards

 

Winfried

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Feb 10, 2023 Feb 10, 2023

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PCX is an ancient raster format, originally from ZSoft's MS-DOS-based PC Paintbrush, and not much used in the last few decades, having only primitive compression, and lacking color management. I gave up on PCX as soon as my key apps supported TIFF.

Safety standards would now expect a CAUTION to be on a Safety Yellow background, with no border or a plain border.

It would probably serve you to create a small library of SVG objects for
⚠DANGER (white text on Safety Red),
⚠WARNING (black text on Safety Orange),
⚠CAUTION (black text on Safety Yellow),
CAUTION (no Alert symbol, black text on Safety Yellow) and
NOTICE (white text on safety Blue) panels.
Precise RGB specs for the colors needs a check of recent standards. I only have decade-only estimates.

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Feb 10, 2023 Feb 10, 2023

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As a sidenote to Bob Niland's post, the "standard standard" on danger/warning/caution/notice is ANSI Z535.6. Most often regarded as the state-of-the-art benchmark.

The PMS colors are stated here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_Z535#/media/File:ANSI-Z535.1-2017-Safety-Colors.svg

and here are some graphics how the signs should look like:

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Update-on-ANSI-Z535.6%3A-A-New-Standard-for-Safety-in-Hall/17f...

Being a standard, ANSI Z535.6 costs money but is probably one of the best investments you can do when it comes to tech doc standards (a few of the other one's being IEC/IEEE 83079-1:2019 and ISO 20607:2019).

Regarding how to write danger/warning/caution/notice, the freely available standard on Simplified Technical English (ASD STE-100) has a great section on that (usable regardless of whether or not you use STE).

 

Mats

 

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Feb 10, 2023 Feb 10, 2023

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ANSI Z535.1-2022 appears to be the current ANSI for just the colors. It was supposed to be harmonized with ISO 3864-4:2011, but I don't know that this ever happened.
Note that the #RRggBB values on the Wiki pages don't match for ANSI vs. ISO, and are in any case uncalibrated, so are going to appear unpredictably.
What's really needed for FM work might be sRGB primaries that fall into tolerance for both specs (assuming the specs now overlap). The SVG imports would be tagged for IEC 61966-2-1:1999. It looks like SVG 1.1 and later (except SVG Tiny 1.2) support color profiles.

I last needed to deal with all this a decade ago.

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Feb 11, 2023 Feb 11, 2023

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The name of the original poster contains Korean characters - so the discussion about ANSI standard may be a side lane.

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Feb 11, 2023 Feb 11, 2023

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Well, the CAUTION is in English, and isn't ⚠주의, so it may be a question of target market for the document. Chances are ISO 3864 would apply.

In other news, ANSI reportedly harmonized with ISO as of Z535.1-2017, which I have not seen. I have no guesses as to what the optimal meets-both color specs would be that are also in-gamut for sRGB.

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Feb 12, 2023 Feb 12, 2023

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Thanks, Bob for correcting my misconception.

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Feb 12, 2023 Feb 12, 2023

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ANSI might well be a side lane, Klaus. Your notice of the Korean was apt. I've never seen a CAUTION in a rippled-edge box, so who knows what conventions might apply.

In addition to ISO & ANSI, there are other safety color standards that could apply. ANSI also sought to harmonize with U.S. CFR/DOT in the 2017 update.

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