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Okay. I am bewildered. I haven't done much with Frame and color, so when my company asked me to set up a 4C template, I figured I would give it a try. Here's the problem.

I need an orange color defined as M80, Y100, as defined in InDesign. When I use these values in Frame's color definition dialog box, the color is not correct (way too bright) on the display, nor does it print to PDF correctly. When I examine the color with Acrobat's Print Production preview, I get M92, Y100.

Okay, I know Frame is really an RGB-based program, so I went into Photoshop to get the equivalent RGB definition, which is R241, G90, B34. Well, Frame doesn't allow RGB numbers greater than 100%, so there's no way to enter these values.

I am stumped. I get the same results with Frame 7.1, Frame 8, Acrobat 7, and Acrobat 9. I print to a .ps file and then use Distiller to create the PDF, leaving colors unchanged. The same color outputs correctly from Photoshop.

Years ago I did some color work in Frame and don't recall having these problems.

Any suggestions?

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Framemaker color definitions--New

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Okay. I am bewildered. I haven't done much with Frame and color, so when my company asked me to set up a 4C template, I figured I would give it a try. Here's the problem.

I need an orange color defined as M80, Y100, as defined in InDesign. When I use these values in Frame's color definition dialog box, the color is not correct (way too bright) on the display, nor does it print to PDF correctly. When I examine the color with Acrobat's Print Production preview, I get M92, Y100.

Okay, I know Frame is really an RGB-based program, so I went into Photoshop to get the equivalent RGB definition, which is R241, G90, B34. Well, Frame doesn't allow RGB numbers greater than 100%, so there's no way to enter these values.

I am stumped. I get the same results with Frame 7.1, Frame 8, Acrobat 7, and Acrobat 9. I print to a .ps file and then use Distiller to create the PDF, leaving colors unchanged. The same color outputs correctly from Photoshop.

Years ago I did some color work in Frame and don't recall having these problems.

Any suggestions?

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Always tell your version of software when asking for a hand. <g><br /><br />R241 isn't really 241% red, it's 241/255*100% red. So, you don't have to enter RGB values greater than 100% in FrameMaker.<br /><br />Even with FrameMaker 9, I'd recommend avoiding CMYK in FrameMaker and using CMYK only in EPS files created elsewhere and imported into FrameMaker by reference.<br /><br />What are you using the CMYK colors for?<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Sean

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I echo Sean's suggestion that you try adding color by using referenced eps files that use the cmyk color. Frame passes these through to Distiller as is.

There is another strategy to add color within FrameMaker; however, I cannot find a reference to the information that I used to do this. FrameMaker allows you to add custom inks to the application with an acf file. You define the custom colors in the acf file in both cmyk and rgb. So you can specify the rgb equivalents as they come from Photoshop or Illustrator, which are different than the ones used by Frame.

Note that the acf file specifies rgb colors in 16 bits, not 8 bits. The formula I used was

16-bit component = (8-bit component * 256) + 255

The 8-bit component values are the ones you got from Photoshop.

The acf file is added to the fminit > color folder within the FrameMaker programs folder.

I tested this in my case by importing a square eps file painted in the cmyk color. Then overlapped it with a square created in Frame and painted with the custom rgb color. Printing on my color laser printer showed negligible difference. We have yet to print to an ink printer.

I know this is vague, but maybe someone else can provide the link to a better explanation. THere might be something about this in the Frame help files.

Good luck,
Van

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Thanks! I knew there had to be a simple answer. I fixed that problem by lying in Frame--I just adjusted the values until I got the correct output in Acrobat.

I am using CMYK colors because my company told me to :)

As I said, I got the same results in Frame 7.1 and Frame 8.

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Thanks! I found a link to the info here:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/WSBDFAC4BF-8326-4715-8E24-8F67B33103CF.html

I fixed the orange and yellow colors by lying to Frame and they now output correctly to pdf. However, I am having trouble converting this color:

C100 K40.

The color prints on four plates, not two, in Acrobat. I can use Pitstop to adjust the color, but I would rather work with a color definition file, if possible. Can anyone help out here?

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Sue,

Use the technique described by Mike Hardy to create your own custom
colour library to ensure that FM creates the expected colours.

Q: why are you manually doing the separations. This is now normally
done from composite PDFs at the ripping stage.

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As you know, there is no unique conversion from rgb to cmyk. I do work in a workflow that needs color management, so I am just making guesses here. You might look into your Distiller settings. Maybe you can play with the color options, such as preserving or not under color removal. Or turning off color management.

Just guesses,
Van

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