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PANTONE cmyk values in Illustrator do not match the PANTONE book, bridge, or website values

New Here ,
Sep 19, 2017 Sep 19, 2017

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What we've done is tried to create a few different swatches using the Solid + Coated versions for 485 (485C), Cool Gray 9 (Cool Gray 9C), and a few other default swatches in Illustrator CC. The color values that a represented in our software do not match the PANTONE books, bridges, website, or the Color Manager that we have installed. The values for the 485C PANTONE in Illustrator show as 4, 98, 100, 1. The values on the website and in the color books show as 0, 95, 100, 0. The RGB and hex values are also different in Illustrator CC (RGB 226, 35, 26) (HEX #e2231a), but the books, bridge, website and color manager are uniform with these as well (RGB 218,41,28) (HEX #da291c). It looks as though Illustrator is the issue, but I'm not sure why this is happening or if it can be fixed. Any suggestions are welcome!

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Community Expert , Sep 19, 2017 Sep 19, 2017

The Pantone+ Solid coated library in Illustrator does not contain CMYK values anymore.

It gives Lab values and it uses your color settings to simulate the color for you printing process.

That means that you will get different CMYK values when you choose newsprint or Japanese inks.

Pantone Plus color libraries

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Apr 08, 2021 Apr 08, 2021

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You're not helping by not reading what I've written and supplying "answers" that are not appropriate. If you truly want to help, you need to "listen" first. So this has been a frustrating and pointless thread. 

 

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Apr 18, 2022 Apr 18, 2022

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Agreed. Unfortunately ktdid, the respondents have read your comments, and you haven't understood their answers. It's seems that your confidence in 'knowing' is hindering your openness to learning. Thank you Monica and Ton Frederiks for both providing helpful elucidations. Colour is a frustratingly complex world. The most helpful bit for me in this thread was confirming that the fixed point that Illustrator is using is the LAB values, and that the CMYK values are simply being computed by whatever colour space you're working in (and sadly they need to, because CMYK is always an adaptive form of colour representation - affected by ink, paper, temperature, printing press, etc. I agree Ktdid, that a world in which this was not so, would be a branders dream. But, only in the same way in which a kid playing and never getting their clothes dirty would be a mother's dream. ) 

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@KTdid. wrote:

Not one person here is understanding what my point is.


I certainly understand what your point is. But I believe we are living in two worlds.

You want a fixed set of numbers to communicate to your customer and we try to argue that such a fixed set does not work on various output devices and that color management takes care of consistent color but without fixed numbers.

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Oh, just learned this btw

If you go to the illustrator swatches panel, select the fly-out menu, and spot colours, you can then select whether you want illustrator to use the LAB value and generate it's own CMYK, or the manufacturer's own specified values.

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There are no manufacturer's own specified values since CS6, only lab values.

 

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Oh, just learned this btw

If you go to the illustrator swatches panel, select the fly-out menu, and spot colours, you can then select whether you want illustrator to use the LAB value and generate it's own CMYK, or the manufacturer's own specified values.


By @Eido Studio

 

With Pantone swatches this used to actually generate different results when converting a solid color to CMYK. But it doesn't do that anymore.

 

So when you want to use the Pantone CMYK (instead of having color management take care of it), then you have to use the Pantone CMYK libraries.

 

 

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Okay, thanks

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Aug 16, 2022 Aug 16, 2022

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I agree whole-heartedly with you. Adobe should START with the Pantone Color Bridge book. There is no reason to have disparate values. 

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The Pantone+ Solid coated library in Illustrator does not contain CMYK values anymore.

It gives Lab values and it uses your color settings to simulate the color for you printing process.

That means that you will get different CMYK values when you choose newsprint or Japanese inks.

Pantone Plus color libraries

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Hola,

En mi experiencia esa diferencia es debida a que los perfiles de color ICC usados en la PC no es el mismo que el utilizado para la impresion del libro (o pagina) de Pantone. De manera que al hacer la conversion, con cualquier intento colorimetricos produce valores diferentes.

 

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