Illustrator History Panel...

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I've been reading that there is no History Panel in Illustrator even though it seems to be a commonly requested feature.  So let me get this straight... Adobe doesn't think that a history panel is necessary in Illustrator?  I get that I can ctrl-z to my hearts content... but what if I've done a string of changes that don't actually effect what I'm seeing on screen so I have no visual clue that I'm at the point I want to stop hitting ctrl-z.  Adobe would rather I try to figure out if I need to ctrl-z 6 times, 7 times, or 8 times or 9 times or 10 times?  Don't you think it would be a lot easier to have a history panel that we can look at and say "oh... that is the change I want to go back to"... Click... Done.  They'd rather we ctrl-z, check where we are, ctrl-z, check where we are, ctrl-z, check where we are, ctrl-z, check where we are and on and on and on?

Yeah... Makes sense.

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Also helpful in a real history panel: make an option for users to "group" a series of repeated steps in a row into 1 undo step.

Much like PC taskbar option to "combine" . . . . to reduce a long history list.

Or better still; make the group fold/unfold with a triangle icon often used to roll-up/down a list.

Add that to the uservoice page. No one will ever find it in this thread.

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I find this whole conversation a little strange. I know it's outdated, but I'd thought I'd throw another comment into the fray. I'm still getting my feet wet with both Photoshop and Illustrator. I don't really understand how non-linear editing is used in Photoshop nor do I think I have ever made use of it. The reason I went looking for a history panel in Illustrator today is for the same reason I use it in Photoshop. Truly, as others have mentioned, any software feature can be measured in lazyness, it is largely a convenience factor. However, the history panel provides one benefit that not amount of Ctrl-Z can.

The history panel is functionallly distinct because it skips directly from any one state in history to another witout steps in between. I frequently use this as a simple means of staging my edits, comparing versions to see if I am happy with the results or not. For example, if I have been selecting a font, and picking and choosing through multiple options, I can review any historical steps and quickly alternate between them. Now of course, I could attain this functionality with other combined efforts, like saving multiple copies of a file, or recreating my steps to queue up the ones I wish to compare. There will always be a question of convenience, and perhaps my usage pattern is a-typical, but I know that I would be positively impacted by its inclusion in this product.

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Excellent example jwsimone. I totally agree. That is mainly what I use the history panel for in Photoshop and other software, and I would love to do so in Illustrator as well. Instantly skipping around between multiple states in history is a HUGE time saver.

What I find even stranger than the lack of inclusion of a history panel in Illustrator, despite its inclusion in every other piece of Adobe software, is why people would so vehemently argue against adding said feature soley because they wouldn't use it themselves. They argue against it even though the addition of a history panel would not affect their archaic workflow of pressing ctrl+z 100+ times. The option to work at a snail's pace would still exist, with or without a history panel. Truly baffling.

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LEGEND ,
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I find it amazing that someone would register a username to only reply in a single thread.

And.. while I'm not opposed to a history panel in AI.. I am opposed to the Illustrator Team wasting time, energy, and money on such a silly feature when there's so much more that could be addressed. There are many features in AI I never use personally, and really I don't care if they are there or not (boundign box, app frame, etc). A History panel would be the same.... but, if coding and developing the History Panel takes away 3 - 6 months of developement on something like... oh.. say.. the ability to round any corner of a shape indepentently, or a 64 bit version of AI.. then, yes, I'm against the history panel.

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Finally you put up a decent argument against it. Now that I can agree with! If and only IF, adding a history panel took away from adding more useful features, then I would prefer to have the more useful features over a history panel. Rounding corners and 64bit are great examples. 🙂 But I truly don't think a history panel would be that difficult to add. It's only a visual representation of what is already stored in memory. I think your 3-6 month estimate is a huge stretch, especially given the fact the Adobe already has a history panel in all their other software. They could probably copy and paste a majority of the code and then tweak it to work with Illustrator. It really shouldn't be too difficult to add. Adding 64bit though? That could take a lot of programming time.

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LEGEND ,
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See, that's a common misconception. Realize that even the slightest change in the app code needs to be evaluated and tested against all other parts of the app code and in all possible environments. Adding omething as simple as two lines of code could potentionally cause bugs in many other places due to conflicts. A single feature is not an easy thing to add, even if the feater "seems" simple. If features were simple and easy to add, each new version would surely have 30+ fantastic new items. In reality every release has probably 2-8 "new" items then 100s of fixes and adjustments to exiting features.

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I actually work in software development. Granted I'm an artist not a programmer, I do work directly with the programmers and I understand the process. Yes it usually takes a lot more time to test and debug your code than to write it in the first place, but for something like a history panel which they already know how to write and debug, the process would be much faster than adding a completely new feature. Testing is also usually done widespread, (testing all features at once, together not isoloated), which means the time it takes to test is shared with the other new features. Furthermore I imagine a large company like Adobe has a team dedicated to testing, meaning this time would not take away from the programmer's time to write and debug. These two would most likely be happening concurrently.

Adobe introduced ~35 new features with Illustrator CS5 and probably many more fixes, as you suggested. Adobe's typical 12-18 month product release cycle with the addition of maybe hundreds of fixes and features, I still think your 3-6 month estimate for a feature they already know how to program is way to high.

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LEGEND ,
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25+ of those "new features" were simply refinements to existing functionality

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Touché.

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I don't want to really get into the dramatic sh*t storm that has been going on in this thread, but I find it amazing that you are critical about the fact that I even chose to share my opinion here. I am a programmer and I too must call foul to your time estimate. I know too well the fact that focusing on emphasizing the right features is an extremely important aspect of development. I also would hope that since Adobe has included such a feature in multiple products, that it would be less difficult to implement in this one. That being said, I don't think Adobe is really that kind of company. It feels to me like they throw in all sorts of features along with the kitchen sink. That's why their tools are a huge resource hog, and I think it's largely why they are such a crowd favoritve. For my own purposes, I am only here because this is a feature I would appreciate having, and I want to put my name in the +1 column.

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LEGEND ,
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Jw

Scott is against any feature request. I have Nebraska known him to back one single feature request, except the Teddy Bear Tool!

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LEGEND ,
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Wade, don't be an ass. You don't know me and I've championed many new featrues.

And JW... I dont' even know you so how on earth could I state anything personal towards you??? Lighten up.

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LEGEND ,
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I've been on this forum since Illustrator v9 and you have been here longer and I cannot remember you even once being for any feature request suggested here on ths forum.

I can remeber your were against transparency, mulitppages and multiple art bords, 3D support. more Flash and web support but I do not recall yyou ever actually makig a feature request orsupporting one tha someone else made.

Enlighten us!

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LEGEND ,
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Wade, you're old and your memory is obviously fading. I won't argue with you. You've become overly filled with megalomania.

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LEGEND ,
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I think that the other recent users contributing here understand the difficuty of trying to fight it out on this forum and that their time would be best if each one would submit a feature request here:

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

The feture request orks if enough people chime in on the feature request page.

If you see what I mean.

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Thank you Wade, that was very helpful; exactly what the forums are for.

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LEGEND ,
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You're welcome I put in my request for or five times and sometimes it takes a while but if people need the feature it shows up.

About priorities that is very much and individuals own issues. And I think they should express.

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I submitted a feature request for a history panel. All it allows is making  multiple undos in one click, and being able to see what undos are in the list.

It would not, as it does not in photoshop, allow you to undo some steps and keep others. So I don't really understand the downside.

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…and at least 5-10 broken features, such as the inability for AICS6 to drag-n-drop global color swatches from the color panel to gradient panel.

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I've read through this endless discussion on the history panel feature and am amazed. I'd like to simplify the discussion. It's good enough for Photoshop. I've used it for years. I'd love that same functionality in Illustrator. And why not? Why is it everyone looks for reasons NOT to do something? If you're so good and don't need it, fine. If you're good enough, like me, and like the functionality, why should my need be belittled from those that are self-proclaimed PhotoShop Masters. And, I don't even want to hear the developers reasons. There reason's have nothing to do with what the user needs. Sorry, but I've worked with them for years and know how they operate. If an average user needs a history panel, stop looking for reasons NOT to do it.

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I also found a little odd that many posts in this thread were focused on developer's reasons. Besides, software developers can be actually very interested in what users really need, and to be honest I can't even see why their reasons, such as keeping code compact and elegant, should ever come in conflict with user needs...

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LEGEND ,
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Meyercom wrote:

I've read through this endless discussion on the history panel feature and am amazed. I'd like to simplify the discussion. It's good enough for Photoshop. I've used it for years. I'd love that same functionality in Illustrator. And why not? Why is it everyone looks for reasons NOT to do something? If you're so good and don't need it, fine. If you're good enough, like me, and like the functionality, why should my need be belittled from those that are self-proclaimed PhotoShop Masters. And, I don't even want to hear the developers reasons. There reason's have nothing to do with what the user needs. Sorry, but I've worked with them for years and know how they operate. If an average user needs a history panel, stop looking for reasons NOT to do it.

Okay.. Illustrator is NOT Photoshop. Photoshop uses pixels. Please explain how a history panel would function with vector objects (NOT PIXELS). Keep in mind non-linear editing of vector objects. Check how Photoshop handles non-linear history with vector shapes.... see any problems?

My points were NOT trying to find reasons a history panel would fail. But an exploration as to what value it would have if it only listed undo states due to the limitations which already exist with vector objects. If you can explain what features would be useful and how they would operate EXACTLY based on vector objects, I'm all ears. So far, no one has posted anything but "It would work like Photoshop." But even Photoshop's History Panel has little use with Vector shapes. Seems this is a simple pie-in-the-sky request by many without any real thought to functionality. From what I've read here, many want a History Panel in Illustrator to function similar to how History works in Photoshop... but no one is exploring it enough to understand that basically, you'd get all the limitations of Photoshop's History panel with almost zero benefit.

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You know that funny thing called a "Ctrl-Z" function. The one in PhotoShop? And the History panel, in PhotoShop? Basically a visual representation of your "undo" states available? Well, it's that simple in Illustrator. Nothing more, nothing less. Please, have a user-friendly person instead of a developer respond in the future. If I was a developer, I obviously wouldn't be using Illustrator. I've written for developers, and snagit and Visio is the extent of there creativity. This is for real-word production-minded users simply looking for a graphical representatation to streamline the "undo" or Ctrl-z" process. I understand exactly what a pixel is, and a vector object. It has NO bearing on me wanting a graphical "undo". Please, don't make a mountain out of a mole-hill... it's an ugly developer trait to basically say why they don't want to do something...

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Oh, and you "zero benifit" is based on what? Productivity or ROI? Please...

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LEGEND ,
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I'm not an AI developer. I am an Ai user with over 25 years experience with the application.

So essentially all you want is a list of undo steps?

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It is that simple...

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LEGEND ,
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Fair enough.

But, in my opinion, rather pointless waste of resources.

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Adding a standard visual interface to a system that is already there so that users can have a more intuitive and enjoyable experience, not to mention save time and efforts, doesn't sound like a waste to me. And maybe, once it's there, we will be in a better position to find ways to make it more useful for vector drawing...

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No one on this thread is an Adobe engineer, so to argue against implementing a History Panel, speculating that it would be technically impossible or unfeasable (despite the fact that Flash has an integrated History Panel), is moot in the sense of having no practical relevance, and is not in the least bit helpful, is just a waste of time to read.  And to argue against someone's desire for a History Panel or anything else, for whatever reasons they desire it, is just plain absurd, let alone self-righteous and contentiious.

I used Photoshop and Illustrator equally and find the lack of a History Panel in Ai endlessly frustrating.  Here is the CS6 feature request that I submiited to Adobe at https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform, the link Wade provided:

"A History Panel would be exceedingly useful, the same as in Flash or Photoshop, and for all the same time-saving, workflow-simplifying reasons.  Please incorporate the feature in CS6.  Ai users have been asking for this for years.  I can tell you for sure that if CS6 does NOT have a HP, I won’t upgrade from CS5.  It’s the one feature that would tip it for me.

Because designing is not a clear-cut linear process - ideas come to mind as you go along - I use the History Panel in PS constantly to either backtrack or test out new ideas and compare them to each other; a similar History Panel in Ai would be invaluable. 

It’s not just the list that’s useful to go back 500 steps if necessary with one click instead of 500, or to instantly compare two states that might be 500 steps apart, but I also use New Snapshot to save multiple history states to the top of the panel that I can return to and work on non-linearly (a history options option), and New Document which instantly opens an identical copy of the entire project with layers preserved in a new tab. 

Ai is woefully lacking in features to aid in the testing and quick comparison of ideas within the document.  Aside from the cmd+z limitations, having to endlessly save copies, search for them, open them in new tabs, then switch back and forth between multiple tabs is a grossly inadequate, cumbersome workaround.

Thank you."

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Bravo! Well said!

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LEGEND ,
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Fireworks also has a history panel which can also be used to crete an action out of the various commands you have already used and you can even skip some of the commands when creating such an action.

Very useful.

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if I wrote a script to Undo / Redo X number of times, would that help? that's within my powers

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CarlosCanto wrote:

if I wrote a script to Undo / Redo X number of times, would that help? that's within my powers

Out of curiosity I looked at this thread, and while reading the reasons for the request, my first thought was "they may be better off with faster accelerated redo/undo than a history panel".

I think with a history panel won't be that easy to find the desired history step in a long list of similar steps. There will be a lot of trial and error clicking to find it. Also for those how don't know it, have in mind that you don't have to press Ctrl + z multiple times, you just hold Ctrl and z keys and the changes will be animated pretty fast. I think this animation makes it easier to get to the desired step in the process than if you have to guess where to click in a long list of steps with the same names. So far holding Ctrl + z hasn't been terribly annoying but the best for me would be accelerated undo. One way this could be implemented is while holding Ctrl + z to also press a number on the keyboard that will accelerate the undo animation that number of times. As for comparing stages I like the Photoshop functionality with Ctrl + Alt + z versus Ctrl + z. Something similar in Illustrator will be great. I'm not sure if a history panel will be better for this - imagine you have to scroll several screen pages through the panel to compare two states, although I've seen interfaces where long lists can be split like several instances of the panel but that still will be a lot of user effort to make the arrangement. With all that said I'm not against a history panel feature and I'm sure it will be useful for a lot of people but I think for what is needed there are better ways.

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I agree with Wade...would be a very useful tool for some people.

My solution....don't call it a history panel, just call it an undo list!

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CarlosCanto wrote:

if I wrote a script to Undo / Redo X number of times, would that help? that's within my powers

Carlos... just in case you ever check this again... would it be within the powers of Script UI to actually build a history palette of sorts? even if it was just a list that read 'Action 1', 'Action 2' etc.?

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I have to say that the History Palette is an incredibly needed accessory; I apologize for the redundant and senseless disagreers running around this thread. Apparently the 1960's software crew were released from the zoo and allowed only to post on Adobe's forums from the confines of their cages.

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great thread, though when searching for "illustrator history panel" one would expect a simple keyboard shortcut or some deep-buried menu item, not a long and complicated thread about a feature that is not there yet... anyway, the reason I signed in (not up, though I might have) is to point out that the History Panel is much more than a quick way to jump many undo states, or quickly compare previous choices, however valid both arguments and uses are. The HP is *visual,* it's like a map, or a trail. It gives you an overview of the time you spent and the actions you performed, and it gives you security, because it's all under your eyes. You might not use it, but it's a different feeling knowing that you have the ability to go back in time, not just going backwards "blindfold" as you do with Ctrl-Z but return to any specific, exact point in time... Considering how little effort it would take to add it (I can't see why it could be difficult), it seems to me that this feature is long overdue.

Still, I'd be very interested to know the historical reasons why AI is different from Photoshop (and most other software) in this respect, I'm sure there were (maybe still are) good reasons for this...?

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  1. Someone here said no one has ever given a valid reason for a history panel.  How about 1 hour wasted Control Z-ing to get back through about 25 actions that each required applying multiple art brushes, drop shadows and effects - about 10-15 seconds for each control Z, and it won't take multiple commands at once.  A history panel would have let me go back several steps at once and save this valuable time in my busy day instead of wasting it in the revision stage of a project that the pesky client can't make up her fricking mind, while other pressing (PAYING) projects are waiting.  This is extremely annoying, and I wouldn't mind what else has to go to make room for a history panel.

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