Illustrator / swatch pattern movement issue? (*advanced question)

New Here ,
Jul 28, 2010 Jul 28, 2010

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In Illustrator CS3 I often make new swatch pattern to use as a fill. When I flll an object w/ that swatch, then copy that object, then paste it into a new file, the pattern has moved inside the object. When I paste the object within the original file I copied it, the pattern doesn't move.

How do I lock the pattern from moving or prevent it from moving? (Apple+ F or B) doesn't work.

I realized I could rename the file, save it, and make changes, as a workaround solution.  I'm looking for something more efficient, however.

Much appreciated, and props to whoever knows the answer!

JP

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Adobe Community Professional , Nov 22, 2010 Nov 22, 2010
Jet gave the right answer to this one. You can also get to that same setting by double clicking any of your transform tools with a pattern selected.

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Advocate ,
Jul 28, 2010 Jul 28, 2010

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Tiles don't align to the objects that contain them. They align to the artboard's X and Y axes. Is it possible you're pasting into a document, in which the X and Y axes are different than the original?

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Jul 28, 2010 Jul 28, 2010

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General Prefs>Transform Pattern Tiles.

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New Here ,
Jul 23, 2015 Jul 23, 2015

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thanks.

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New Here ,
Nov 22, 2010 Nov 22, 2010

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Our solution was to expand the patterned filled object. The whole pattern is expanded so to reduce file size and get rid of all the expanded pattern design outside of our shape, we made a copy of the object, merged it using pathfinder to make a solid shape or just flled it if it was one shape, place the solid shape over the expanded object (use outline mode to see all this) and then use crop in pathfinder. You need room around the object to do all this, so we moved it off the artboard and then moved it back.

It now copies into a new file for printing without the filled patterns inside the shapes moving.

Hopefully this helps!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Nov 22, 2010 Nov 22, 2010

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Jet gave the right answer to this one. You can also get to that same setting by double clicking any of your transform tools with a pattern selected.

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New Here ,
Nov 22, 2010 Nov 22, 2010

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Yes, that works when you are pasting into a new file of the same size. Our problem is/was when we go to copy a file with lots of pattern fills (painstakingly placed ) we are copying it perhaps 2-up side by side for printing purposes on a larger "artboard", and the patterns shift within the design shapes.

I think this has to do with xy axis? The above was our go between solution...I'd love a better more efficient solution!

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New Here ,
Jun 16, 2021 Jun 16, 2021

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LATEST

SAVED ME!

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New Here ,
Oct 23, 2013 Oct 23, 2013

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I realize several years have passed since this question was asked, but incase someone in the community is stil having this problem, I saved my original with the pattern as a pdf, then placed it into the new artboard/file. Before I settled on the pdf solution, I rasterized, flattened, expanded, jpg'd & png'd to no avail, they all sucked when placed into the new larger artboard bc either the pattern continued to move or the results were pixelated, even w high res.

I was making business cards, and my original artboard was 2x3.5, and I had already painstakingly moved, scaled & recolored each pattern to fit the 2x3 artboard. Then when I went to paste it into a full size 8.5x11 ai template  the pattern realigned itself to the 8.5x11 page, grr.

I'm using cs5, btw. And when you try this, the pdf preview will look crazy, but no worries, it places just fine.

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Valorous Hero ,
Oct 23, 2013 Oct 23, 2013

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It is what Doug said.

Make sure in both documents the artboards have the same x and y coordinates even though the size can be different. Copy the pattern from one document and Paste in Front in the other. Then you can transform it it in which case the preferences explained by Jet and Mike take control of how it is transformed.

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Community Beginner ,
Feb 25, 2016 Feb 25, 2016

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This is ridiculous.  There is no way, when you are working for a company that sends out its files to print, that you can get a company in China that places multiple files on one sheet to make the xy axis the same as in my original files!!!!  Isn't there a way to lock the pattern?  Illustrator is an expensive professional tool.  I should be able to use it as so.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 25, 2016 Feb 25, 2016

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Preferences > Check: Transform Pattern Tiles

This will keep the pattern in place inside the object during copy, paste and transformations

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Community Beginner ,
Feb 25, 2016 Feb 25, 2016

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Transform Panter tiles is checked.  Pattern still shifts.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 25, 2016 Feb 25, 2016

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Which version do you use? This works only in recent CC versions.

In your case I would follow Mike's advice, expand.

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Community Beginner ,
Mar 07, 2016 Mar 07, 2016

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This does not work.  I have transform Pattern Styles checked.  If i move the object with the pattern within the original page, the pattern does not shift.  Once I copy and paste it in a new document (also with Transform Pattern styles checked), the pattern still moves.  For some reason, it has to do with the x,y axis.  Any other suggestions?

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New Here ,
Mar 14, 2016 Mar 14, 2016

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It's clearly not linked to XY coordinates. If I make a square with a pattern fill on an 11x17 horizontal page, then copy and "paste in front" into another new 11x17 horizontal, the pattern position will match up. If I "paste in front" into an 11x17 vertical page the pattern will shift, even though the XY coordinates are the same. AND, if I copy the pattern filled square and "paste in front"  into a pre-existing 11x17 document (with consistent zero points) the pattern will shift. These experiments are all done with "Transform pattern tiles" checked in Illustrator preferences.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 25, 2016 Feb 25, 2016

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You should really use on of the options mentioned already

e.g.: Object >> Expand >> Appearance


You can work with a live pattern, up until you release the file expand the pattern so you do not have any bad surprises.


I know that is not the perfect solution, but I would not expect another person to catch every single time a pattern shifts, especially on a highly detailed one.

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Community Beginner ,
Feb 25, 2016 Feb 25, 2016

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A small pattern shift will be noticed.  They are VERY specific about it's placement. I think the object, expand, fill seems to work.  Thanks.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Feb 25, 2016 Feb 25, 2016

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I meant a  person doing the separations may miss that, who is not s familiar with the artwork as yourself. They have tight deadlines and lots of separation and trapping issues to worry about so I try to be considerate ash set up the job for success.

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New Here ,
Apr 02, 2014 Apr 02, 2014

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I am using pc version / CS6 and stumbled onto the answer to this question. I created a pattern swatch. When it came time to draw my shape object, I use my smart guide to find the center of my artboard, I selected my shape tool, clicked in the center,held down my alt key and drug it out to the size I needed. This was for a biz card.

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