Results in Image Trace don't match Live Trace

New Here ,
Aug 08, 2012

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I just started using CS6, jumping from CS3. A major tool I use is Live Trace, and I have custom settings for that. I cannot find a way to make Image Trace behave the way Live Trace did for black and white line drawings. The results I get in CS6 are far inferior to those I got in CS3 in terms of retaining the look of the original raster image. Help would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise, I will have to leave CS3 installed just to do my Live Trace.

Here is a sample of what I mean. You can see the quality degredation in CS6 compared to CS3. (And it's much more obvious when it's full size and full resolution.)

LiveTraceImageTrace.jpg

My settings used in Live Trace (CS3) were:

LiveTraceSettings.jpg

The settings I tried in CS6 that gave the above result were:

ImageTraceSettings.jpg

Thanks for the help!

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My first thought is to reduce your "Threshold" settings. In CS 3 you have it at 128 but in CS6 you have 198. This might be forcing the trace to catch too much detail and thereby tracing all the pixels from the image.

You should also try reducing the Paths and Corners settings a bit see if that helps

And maybe you should try the Create "strokes" option too. I can't help much as I don't have a copy of CS 6 yet but those are my best guesses

Give it a try and good luck

Jeff

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Aug 08, 2012

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I tried all those things to no avail. When I lowered the threshold, it was leaving out large parts of the image altogether.

Feet.jpg

Even with the mouse, I was able to get it smoother by adjusting the corners, but it still lacks most of the detail that CS3 gave.

mouse.jpg

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LEGEND ,
Aug 08, 2012

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I was able to get much closer than you're getting after just a few seconds. More time could be spent refining the trace than I spent.

My trace on top... your orignal from here on bottom.

Snap_001.jpg

Snap_002.jpg

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New Here ,
Aug 08, 2012

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Well, there must be something else going on, because when I use the exact same settings as you, I get very different results:

Feet2.jpg

Mouse2.jpg

Yours looks great; mine, not so much...

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LEGEND ,
Aug 08, 2012

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A couple possibilities....

1) What orginal are you using? How does it differ from the jpgs posted here (since I used the jpgs above as originals)?

2) Perhaps trashing Illustrator prefernces and trying again might help.

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Aug 10, 2012

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Well, I think I figured it out... The originals I have always used are the native Photoshop .eps files created by our artists. When I converted the files to .jpg and tried it, the results were exactly like the ones you got. So, not sure why CS6 doesn't like .eps files for Image Trace, but now I know...

Thanks so much for all of your help! Although it's an extra step to convert everything to .jpg, it's better than having to use two versions of Illustrator to get my work done!

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LEGEND ,
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I've never understood why some people use Photoshop EPS files. It made sense in 1988, but it hasn't for over a decade.

Glad you got it sorted!

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New Here ,
Oct 17, 2012

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I am having a similar problem. Part of what I do uses Photoshop at a 1x1 pixel level. I also need to drop this in to Illustrator, Live Trace it, and then add various colors to it. Any thoughts on how I can acheive that level of corners?

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 17, 2012

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SHow us some examples.

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New Here ,
Oct 17, 2012

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This was creating in Photoshop. I need to be able to trace it exactly to show its true form in Illustrator. This was posssible with Live Trace.

Screen Shot 2012-10-17 at 4.06.35 PM.png

Now its not possible with Image Trace

Screen Shot 2012-10-17 at 4.08.50 PM.png

This is as close as I can get

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New Here ,
Oct 17, 2012

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You just have to play with the settings. They are different and don't behave like the ones in Live Trace did, but with some fiddling, it's possible to get results that are close to what we had before. I was able to get this result using your top image:

ScreenShot2.jpg

These are the settings I used:

ScreenShot1.jpg

See if these settings give you the results you are looking for.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Oct 17, 2012

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Image trace is not particularly well at tracing black and white (1 bit) images. It' s way better with anti-aliased grayscale images.

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New Here ,
Oct 17, 2012

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Thanks for trying. Here are my settings (matching your exactly) Your preset says "Fill Only 2". I'm guessing that is a user preference?

Screen Shot 2012-10-17 at 4.42.17 PM.png

And my results (far from yours)

Screen Shot 2012-10-17 at 4.42.09 PM.png

I am obviously missing something here

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New Here ,
Oct 17, 2012

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Yes, the setting name is a user preference. This is exactly what happened to me in terms of my results not matching what the other people were getting (see all original posts). The issue for me turned out to be file type. I got the results shown above by using the downloaded .png image of your file from this site. Is the image you are placing in Illustrator a .png or a .jpg? If you are using a .psd file, that may be the reason. Otherwise, I have no idea.

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New Here ,
Oct 17, 2012

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I am perflexed. I have tried jpg, png, bmp (typically used for very specific reasons) and nothing.

Thank you for trying.

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New Here ,
Oct 17, 2012

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Sorry I'm not more help. That is the extent of my knowledge. But I would be curious if you get the same results by downloading your own image from the post and using that with the settings I tried.

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New Here ,
Oct 18, 2012

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AIMSEdu, Interestingly enough when I downloaded the file from this post; 1. It was much larger than the original 2. The Image Trace worked PERFECTLY!!!

Now, how I replicate that same scenario 20 times a day will be interesting

Thanks again for your help!!!

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New Here ,
Nov 04, 2012

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I was very dissapointed to find out that CS6 is much inferior to CS5 or earlier versions when tracing black and white line drawings or comic art. By the way many users are of the same opinion. Here is a review of CS6 vs CS5 tracing results:

http://vector.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tools-tips/quick-tip-how-to-use-the-new-image-trace-in-adobe-il...

And here is my own experience. Whatever settings I try in CS6 the result is just terrible. This one is the best I could get. Details are lost. Lines are very thick.

Traced_in_CS6_fragment.jpg

In comparison, here is how wonderfully the same work is done by CS5, not to mention that I didn't even have to tackle with any settings at all. Just clicked the button Live Trace and got saticfactory results with the default preset.

Traced_in_CS5_fragment.jpg

These are original unreduced files:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61392902/Illustrator%20Bugs/Traced_in_CS5.jpg

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61392902/Illustrator%20Bugs/Traced_in_CS6.jpg

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61392902/Illustrator%20Bugs/Original_Raster_Drawing.jpg

P.S. It is sometimes possible to get good results in CS6, if you take the big drawing apart into small separate drawings. However it means a lot of additional work: tens of extra hours in a year in fact. Which, of coarse, undoubtfully means that CS6 is a step backwards if compared with CS5.

Besides some big complex drawings with many details can not be devided into a smaller ones. And if you don't have an earlier version of the program, in this case there is no way to get a quality trace at all!

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Nov 04, 2012

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This example, provided by unimpersonated, illustrates the deficiencies of CS6's tracing functionality perfectly.

I compared the results between CS6 and CS5 using the original raster jpg posted above. It's night and day. Right out of the box with default settings, CS5 made an incredibly accurate representation. The same results were impossible to acheive with CS6 no matter how much tweaking was involved. Even cutting the original .jpg into smaller segments could not approach the accuracy attained in CS5.

I have to agree, this  appears to be quite a step backwards for the tracing function in AI.

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Community Beginner ,
Dec 16, 2012

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Just wanted to add my complete agreement. I have been tracing black and white images since the times of Adobe Streamline and with CS6 there are possibly the worst ever results.

Please Adobe please, take notice and do something about it. CS5 was excellent at it - just put that bit of code back.

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New Here ,
Dec 17, 2012

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To all,

We all seem to be having very similar issues. From this post I have disocvered that if the image that you are choosing to trace is saved as a PNG (larger than normal), PLACED into Illustrator CS6, then traced using CS6, the outcome is much better.

I am only speaking of Black & White traces. I have not tried this in color. It hasn't been a concern of mine yet.

I am in TOTAL & COMPLETE agreement with MaxCalo!!!

Happy Creative!

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New Here ,
Jun 21, 2013

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I downloaded and tried Illustrator CC (the newest version). Unfortunately Adobe ignored the problem. Illustrator CC still has the same deficiencies as CS6 in tracing black&white line art. Even CorelDraw does the job much better. However the best tracing software so far is Illustrator SC5. So I'll stay with CS5, hoping that the problem will be solved in future.

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New Here ,
Jan 05, 2014

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I am also having a problem matching my images. This is an image I just purchased and I need it in vector format. Below is my results. How can I get a perfect tracing?

Fotolia_50142419_XS.jpg

traceresult.jpg

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 05, 2014

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How can I get a perfect tracing?

When you do it manually.

But why didn't you buy the vector version of the image? Looks like there should be one.

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New Here ,
Jul 08, 2014

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I can't even FIND where to do the manual settings for the live trace. I have been pulling my hair out with this!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jul 08, 2014

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Which version?

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New Here ,
Jul 08, 2014

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I think I found it... it's just weird. CS 6. It isn't as friendly as the older ones.

Sent from my LG Mobile

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I think that I found it. I'm using CS6 and it isn't as friendly as the older versions were.

Sent from my LG Mobile

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New Here ,
Nov 17, 2014

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Hi,

Thank god somebody else has this problem. I had CS3 on my last computer,  now that computer is dead and I got CS6 through school. Everything that I do depends on live tracing and I just can not...get the same results....

The way i used to live trace in CS3 was by using a photograph (.jpg) and live tracing it grayscale ...in about 20 layers

When I do the same in CS6 I just get horrible layer division and the image is very bulky.


Is there a solution this problem?

Ive been using my friends CS3 for awhile when I get the chance but now her computer is broken.
Is there eve a way to get your hands on CS3 anymore?  Ive tried to trace things manually in CS6, the only way I get close to detailed results is if i trace the image in like 180 layers.. and even then the quality is not at nice.
Please let me know.


Best,
Karen

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 28, 2016

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Does anyone at Adobe take note of these user experiences? This thread goes back to August 2012 and the underlying issue has emphatically still not been addressed.

I recently subscribed to Creative Cloud services, which involved a leap from Illustrator CS3 to the latest version. Along with many others, I am heavily dependent on the Live Trace feature, for converting black and white bitmap line illustrations, and its current iteration, Image Trace, produces very significantly inferior results. I have been obliged to regularly revert to Illustrator CS3, which still runs – after a fashion – under the Mac El Capitan OS, solely for its Live Trace facility.

Is there any way Live Trace could be reinstated in the next Illustrator upgrade? It seems to be widely agreed that Image Trace has been a step backwards in terms of performance. Failing that, how about a standalone app based on the original Streamline, which did the job of bitmap-to-vector conversion as efficiently and accurately as any subsequent iteration.

I would love to see this problem sorted out.

Cheers,

Geo

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Aug 01, 2016

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Just a me too post really but I've been a fan of livetrace for my lineart since CS3 and I'm running a whole other Mac just to be able to continue to use it's live trace facility!!
CHOICE has been lost in the new Image Trace offered by CC and this needs to be resolved. I know what I'm doing here re: resolution, settings, etc and all comparisons fail to achieve the same elegant and precise results offered by CS3.

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New Here ,
Aug 10, 2016

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me too...

I've just upgraded to CC from CS3 and am regretting it.

I trace my line art and got great results in the earlier version but now after hours of playing I still can't get anything that comes close. The new trace is clunky and inaccurate with loads of artefacts and cropping.

I screen print and registration is key, the new CC version even offsets the trace which makes it useless to me... WHY?

I'm now on the lookout for a specialised tool for turning line art into vector art like CS3 used to.

Any ideas?

Andy Wilx

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I too would like to know why it offsets the trace? Is that a function of a preset that can be undone somehow? 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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  schrieb

I too would like to know why it offsets the trace? Is that a function of a preset that can be undone somehow? 

Can't be solved or prevented from happening.

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New Here ,
Aug 10, 2016

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Can we have an answer please Adobe?

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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andyw94072450 schrieb:

Can we have an answer please Adobe?

This is a user forum. The people here are 95% users answering questions of other users.

In case you want to try and improve your results please post examples. In case your want to post a feature request or bug, please do that here:

Feature Request/Bug Report Form

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Engaged ,
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If you have a problem with Adobe software, you're not going to head over to Feature Requests, you're going to come here.

If Adobe aren't monitoring these Forums and making notes with enough regularity to pick up the most common gripes then that is a serious issue. One that does not reflect well on Adobe.

We should continue to vent here, where at least our fellow professionals will empathise.

It's great that the community is so mutually supportive but, let's face it, Adobe have a habit of overlooking long-standing bugs.

We struggle with these multiple issues everyday, for years.

So, like a big company that makes you wait for half an hour in a call queue before you get to speak to a human- Adobe guarantees an annoyed attitude from it's customers right from the start.

Adobe take note, your customers are paying you to find and deal with the bugs.

They're assistance may be appreciated, but it should not to be expected.

I may add another drop to the feature request ocean, if I can find time later.

Or I may just come back here and vent, either way, Adobe should be listening- HERE.

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Engaged ,
Aug 16, 2016

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Wow! Never had a post rejected by moderators before!

Especially odd when it contained no swearing, was factually accurate and responded directly a previous comment in the thread.

I guess Adobe do listen here, and respond very quickly- in some circumstances.

Now I'm off to keep up on that thread on pesky drag handles (that started back in 2013).

Best of luck jkraft

btw: I just discovered Astute Graphics plugins, they seem to resolve a lot of our issues and enhance Illustrator in many excellent ways, though they ain't cheap!

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Yeah, I've been using Illustrator since 1995, to convert my finely-drawn line art to vectors.
But CS6 won't do it, and Adobe has made it clear enough that it doesn't care.

Fortunately, ADC has come out with a new version of Canvas for Mac, Canvas Draw, which has a great auto trace tool that works like Adobe's used to.

canvasgfx.com

Highly recommended!

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Thanks for the heads-up on this development – very interesting. I'll check out Canvas Draw. I'm extremely worried that with some future Mac OS update, I'll lose the facility to run Illustrator CS3, which I still have to on a regular basis purely for the Live Trace feature.

I'm still convinced there would be an enthusiastic market for a standalone bitmap-to-vector auto-trace app similar to the old Streamline, if only there was a developer out there inclined to produce one!

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Explorer ,
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Most annoying of all to me is that Adobe won't let me run CS2 now that I have CS6, so I can't use the Adobe Illustrator autotrace tool that I paid for years ago.

Anyone know a work-around?

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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kenj63410513 schrieb:

Most annoying of all to me is that Adobe won't let me run CS2 now that I have CS6,

That's complete nonsense.

If your operating system supports it you are allowed to run CS2 until your computer falls apart.

Problem is: in case you're on Mac OS, system version 10.6.8 is the last one that supports CS2.

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Explorer ,
Sep 27, 2016

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Of course it's not nonsense, it's exactly what's happening.
And it's happening on a computer that uses 10.6.8, which, as you say, supports CS2.

Here's what I get if I try to start CS2 even after I've "deactivated" CS6.

cant_use_cs2.png

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Sep 27, 2016

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You need to download the installer from here:

Download Adobe Acrobat 7 and Adobe Creative Suite 2 products

You also need to use the serial number from that page.

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Explorer ,
Sep 27, 2016

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Please explain why I need to reinstall CS2.

Also please explain why people should have to use CS2 to get the same quality of autotrace results that Illustrator used to give.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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You need to reinstall in order to get it to work with this serial number. Just do it or it won't work. Please research the topic of CS2. It has been documented all over the internet.

As for how live trace/Image trace work: it has been completely redesigned.

Most of the people here (and that includes me) are volunteers helping people in their spare time. We don't speak on behalf of Adobe and we can't explain why things happen. We can only sometimes tell you that they happen.

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Explorer ,
Sep 27, 2016

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Thank you.
And I'm sorry to see someone spending their time unpaid doing what Adobe can very well afford to pay someone to do.

Meanwhile would someone please explain why CS2 stops working after CS6 is installed, other than through Adobe's own fault?
I've done a search and, contrary to Monika's assertion, I've found nothing.
Thanks again.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Sep 27, 2016

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This has nothing to do with CS6.

Have you even read the page I linked above?

Adobe has disabled the activation server for CS2 products, including Acrobat 7, because of a technical issue. These products were released more than seven years ago and do not run on many modern operating systems; Adobe no longer supports them.

Because the activation server is no longer running they had to make available a special version to all registered users that can be used without the activation server.

I had CS6 running with CS2 side by side on the same computer for some months (if not years, I don't remember). And CS3, 4 and 5, CC were on the same machine as well.

Want a screenshot of that? There you are:

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And yes, I actually used them.

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Explorer ,
Sep 27, 2016

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Thank you for clearing it up that it was an Adobe problem in general and not specifically a CS6 problem.

For people who are looking for Autotrace that works with fine line images like Adobe's Autotrace USED to work before CS6, besides Canvas Draw's excellent Autotrace, there's also a $5 program available through the Apple Store called Image Vectorizer that works excellently with fine B&W line drawings. The program works on System 10.8 or later

Image Vectorizer - bitmap to vector graphic conversion

it won't do layers or multiple colors but it does have all the fine adjustment tools one would want for converting B&W line art (like the kind I've been doing for over 30 years –http://www.penart.com).

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Sep 28, 2016

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I'd not heard of the Image Vectorizer program before, but as it was only £3.99 on the App Store I decided to give it a try. It's use is limited to simple, two-colour imagery but as virtually all my conversions are from black & white linework, this is fine for me.

As for the results – absolutely superb. Perfectly accurate vector rendition of the original raster linework, straight off the default conversion settings. Hallelujah!

Cheers, kenj63410513 – an excellent recommendation. This will be my go-to tracing app from now on, although it still begs the question as to why Illustrator's current built-in tracing function is so unfit for purpose.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Sep 28, 2016

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kenj63410513 wrote:

Thank you.
And I'm sorry to see someone spending their time unpaid doing what Adobe can very well afford to pay someone to do.

A lot of the users here are highly qualified and know the specifics of the Adobe programs in a real world environment better then Adobe employees. The mixture of Adobe employees having much more insight to the code and those experienced users helping others out (and learning new proceeds by doing so) is, what makes this forums so interesting.

Adobe rewards some of it's users for doing such. Don't be sorry for the help you get. Return it, when others are in need and you know the solution.

Regards,
Abambo
Hard- and Software Engineer and Photographer

I'm not an Adobe employee. All advice constitutes my own opinion. Use at your risk! 🙂

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Explorer ,
Mar 15, 2017

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Hey, thanks for this.  I trust you folks so much that I just bought the product.  And it looks very promising.  Like most others on this thread I am disappointed that Adobe has lost interest in its customers.

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Engaged ,
Mar 16, 2017

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@Kenj63410513 That's a great piece of advice- I'll give it a go!

Can the app provide SINGLE PATH lines from raster lineart?

trace test.jpg

btw: Love your artwork, I'm getting in to simulating antique map illustration myself just now and was wondering if you've any tutorials or something?

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Mar 16, 2017

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Hello Runninghead,

I've hardly ever done single line conversions but line breakups usually

happen because the original line isn't dark or thick enough, though your

originals look like the line is 100% black and all the same thickness.

And thank you for the compliment –I don't have any tutorials or such

online, sorry, though I do teach "Introduction to Computer Art" at a couple

of local colleges.

But looking at your website, I could use some advice from you –it looks

great. I'm especially impressed by your "Atlantis" scene.

Best,

KEN

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Mar 17, 2017

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Hi KEN,

Glad you like the illustration.

I found even basic use of a 3D app extremely useful for achieving artwork

that would otherwise prove impossible time-wise.

I've just finished my own Teacher Training so anything you'd like to know

I'm happy to relate!

"Introduction to Computer Art" sounds just like what I should be doing,

hope it's in high demand.

Best,

Tom

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Mar 18, 2017

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Hi Tom,

You have a great range of work, from cute characters to 3D cityscapes, all

very nicely done. Cheers!

I'm not familiar with Teacher Training, but I assume it's an Adobe thing?

I'd email you directly but your runninghead webpage doesn't seem to list an

email address, and I'm not sure correspondences are OK when they go off

topic in a forum like this.

Best,

KEN

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