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I'm experimenting with spirograph like patterns and effects, To do this I have created primitive shapes like squares and hexagons and applied transfrom effects like this…

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In the above example there is one square with a black stroke and no fill. Even though I tell the stroke not to scale, it is scaled.

 

The problem is the duplicates are stacked below the primary object or group. I don’t think this has always been the case. See this one…

Screen Shot 2020-07-11 at 11.28.20 AM.png

If I expand the appearance I can see outlines for all the shapes. But I need the duplicates to appear above the source image. Is thee a way to do this? Is this a bug?

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If you start with a small shape and scale it up (that is, greater than 100%), it stacks the other way. And I'm not seeing stroke scaling unless I tell it to.

 

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Transform effects are appearing below content, not above

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I'm experimenting with spirograph like patterns and effects, To do this I have created primitive shapes like squares and hexagons and applied transfrom effects like this…

squares.png

In the above example there is one square with a black stroke and no fill. Even though I tell the stroke not to scale, it is scaled.

 

The problem is the duplicates are stacked below the primary object or group. I don’t think this has always been the case. See this one…

Screen Shot 2020-07-11 at 11.28.20 AM.png

If I expand the appearance I can see outlines for all the shapes. But I need the duplicates to appear above the source image. Is thee a way to do this? Is this a bug?

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Correct answer by tromboniator | Adobe Community Professional

Scott,

If you start with a small shape and scale it up (that is, greater than 100%), it stacks the other way. And I'm not seeing stroke scaling unless I tell it to.

 

Peter

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Transform is a "Post-effect" - it always gets applied afterwards initially. But you can move it above the Contents.

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Didn’t help.

Screen Shot 2020-07-11 at 3.24.16 PM.png

What did work is making the shape a compound path.

Screen Shot 2020-07-11 at 3.27.20 PM.png

I think this is a bug.

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Sorry. I was on the wrong track. But I seem to remember this was always the case (for me at least, which means CS2).

My oldest version is CS3 and here is the screenshot:

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My oldest version is CC 2017 and it does the same. I guess it was always bugged. And I would certainly call this a bug. Duplicating with Option-drag or Object > Transform puts the duplicate above the source. The effect should do the same.

Screen Shot 2020-07-11 at 4.25.54 PM.png

 

Reported as a feature request.

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It does not solve your problem with the stacking order, but it gives a similar effect.

I filled a rectangle with white and gave the fill a Difference blending mode.

Transform difference.png

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Scott,

If you start with a small shape and scale it up (that is, greater than 100%), it stacks the other way. And I'm not seeing stroke scaling unless I tell it to.

 

Peter

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Your approach sounds promising, Peter. Unfortunately I cannot confirm the reverse order.

 

Guess by "it stacks the other way" you mean that the copies are then created above the original path, don't you?

 

What am I missing?

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Kurt,

 

I am certain that Peter (it is rather early/late for him) means that the effect of the inherent and unchangeable order is countered by starting from the small end, so larger will be behind smaller, as desired.

 

Obviously, to get (almost) the same size of the largest one, it is necessary to invert the settings (inverse scaling and rotation and a starting size that equals the desired ending size divided by the [number of copies]th power of the (inverse) scaling (was that sane speak?).

 

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