Bullet Point Formatting Issue

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May 17, 2022 May 17, 2022

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Hi,

 

I am writing bullet points under a heading. For most of the document, it has not been a problem, but there are several instances where it is bulleting the line above the paragraph of text rather than in-line. The red marked dot is where the bullet should be.

 

If I select the line above the paragraph where the dot is erroneously placed, it removes the indent and bullet from the full paragraph. Any idea why this is happening or how to fix this in a clean and consistant way?

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May 17, 2022 May 17, 2022

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I'm not sure what you're asking, here. It sounds like you're saying that, if you select the words "Distance to Transit" with the Text tool, then the indent and bullet are spontaneously removed from "Provide seating at regular intervals..."  Did I get it right? I'd be surprised if that was what was actually going on, although I have found a few intermittent weird screen-update issues that are new to InDesign 17.  (I just wrote it off to buying a low-end, used video card, and reassured myself that I could always force a screen redraw by changing the zoom level.)

 

I don't think that's what you're actually asking, though. Can you flesh out your description a bit? Or maybe give us a screenshot with hidden characters visible? (That's Type -> Show Hidden Characters)

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May 17, 2022 May 17, 2022

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Can you provide that screen shot again with hidden characters showing? There might be a line break after the bullet.

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May 18, 2022 May 18, 2022

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See below for existing condition:

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Then, if I delete the paragraph symbol on the end of "Transit," then this happens: 

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If Iselect the "Provide seating" paragraph and press the bullet setting again, it returns to the condition above.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
May 18, 2022 May 18, 2022

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Scott is correct. That is a soft return (forced line break after the bullet. Tiy need to tweak your space before/space after settings in some combination on the two paragraph styles so you don't need to force the sapce between them.

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May 18, 2022 May 18, 2022

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I am unfamiliar with this and how this works. Would you mind sharing more information? 

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May 18, 2022 May 18, 2022

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Each paragraph in an ID document should be separate, a 'real' paragraph ended with a paragraph mark/hard return. Soft returns (or line breaks, or Shift-Return) should never be used.

 

A style should be applied to each paragraph, whether the one ID automatically assigns or one you click from the list. In writing and formatting bullet lists, you often have to manually format each paragraph. (That is, it's unlikely the styles are set up to do it automatically, or at least correctly.)

 

If you merge two paragraphs and then separate them, some style issues can merge or persist in the new paragraph. That is, it may look like a Bullet, but it's actually a Heading style that's absorbed some of the Bullet styling. Always click in each paragraph and make sure it has the style you want applied, without a + sign at the end, indicating it's been modified.

 

In cases like this make sure you have the heading, any body text, and then each bullet in a true separate paragraph, then click in each to make sure the right, unmodified style is applied to each. That should eliminate the odd mis-stylings you're seeing.

 

And as noted below, use paragraph spacing settings to adjust space, not extra paragraphs or soft returns.

 

|| Word & InDesign to Kindle (& EPUB): a Professional Guide (Amazon)

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May 18, 2022 May 18, 2022

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Thats one of several reason why using empty paragraphs to create space is not best practice. Use Space Before / Space After instead.

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May 18, 2022 May 18, 2022

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If I use Space Before / Space After, then it causes the last line of the sub heading to have a larger space between lines of text than the others. Then, the same problem occurs when I bullet the text.

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May 18, 2022 May 18, 2022

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It actually treats it like it is still apart of the subheading and will bullet all of it even if I only select the "provide seating" line

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May 18, 2022 May 18, 2022

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It sounds like you still have that soft return there. You have to get rid of it.

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