Can anyone identify this frame?

[Ian Blogs]

These are a few pages that I placed from a Word.doc. I can't figure out what is going on with Page 1. It seems to have overset text but I can't find it. I can see it in Story editor but can't release it. Also, I can not resize it. Does anyone know what it is?

Thanks for any help

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

This is the order of your TextFrames:

Start of the thread is on the 2nd page.

Just click the red [+] - outport - on the 1st page:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

And after removing TFs from the pages 2-6 - leaving TF on the 1st page - and reflowing:

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

Kudos. But WHAT is that secondary frame on the first and other pages? It looks as if your solution loses the Dutch 'story.'

That snip can be cut and pasted to a new frame but it's only the first page's content (in English). It looks as if maybe this was worked on in a translation tool and imperfectly saved to Word. I don't know if there's supposed to be a complete translation in there somewhere, or if the fragment is the error.

(But ooh, lost shipwrecks. Had me at "wreck," here. 🙂 )

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Kudos. But WHAT is that secondary frame on the first and other pages? It looks as if your solution loses the Dutch 'story.'

By @James Gifford—NitroPress

Two column Table. 

1st of four:

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

Okay. I still can't untangle it but that answers the structure question and why it's page-by-page.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Okay. I still can't untangle it but that answers the structure question and why it's page-by-page.

By @James Gifford—NitroPress

My 1st screenshot - order of TFs is wrong.

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

I'm baffled. There are quite evidently two story flows, English and Dutch, but I can't puzzle out the structure underneath and that sort of "extra" frame resists all attempts to select or identify. Even a save to IDML and open — which usually fixes doc structure problems — did nothing.

If I had to do something here, I'd select each story, cut it and paste it to a new text flow. But there might — must? — be some way to untangle this mess. 🙂

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@James Gifford—NitroPress 

Not sure what do you mean?

On the 1st page there is last TF of the Story - with overset text - and there is just a table inside:

[Ian Blogs]

Thanks James

I'm pleased it's not me. I have spent ages trying to work it out. It started when I placed a Word.doc. This doc used what looked like a table to create this weird thing.

[James Gifford—NitroPress]

That almost starts to make sense. Word and ID handle tables differently in many ways, so I can see where a buggy/oversized table in Word (I know, 'buggy' is redundant) would import very oddly.

As RT says, do a clean new import using the Import Options menu. I'd also try importing it first to a larger page size, so that any collision of rigid elements has room to sort itself out. You might also save the Word file as RTF and try importing that — that's the other way to clean up source files when they've been edited too much or otherwise munged in Word.

[Ian Blogs]

Thanks but I have tried previously all you mention.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Thanks but I have tried previously all you mention.
By @Ian Blogs

To fix your current document: 

- menu File / Document Properties,

- set number of pages to 1 - confirm deletion of other pages, 

- add new page, 

- reflow text.

[Ian Blogs]

Thanks for all your help. I am just concerned with the item on the first page. The rest of the doc is just random pages I added to send the first page. What are TFs?

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Ian Blogs

TFs - TextFrames. 

Just place your WORD document again - starting on page one: 

- create new empty document with just one page, 

- press Ctrl+D - Place - select your WORD document,. 

- press Shift and keeping it pressed, click in the top-left corner of the 1st page - close to the margins. 

[Ian Blogs]

I know how to place Word I have been doing it for 30 years but the problem is with the text box on pag1. It has overset text on the foreign side which I can get. The overset text on the English language side I can not get although it shows a tiny red dot.

[Robert at ID-Tasker · Accepted solution]

@Ian Blogs

OK. Now we know what is your problem. 

That's an overset text in the table. Unfortunately, InDesign is unable to split cells between TextFrames - never was. 

The only way to do something with it is to put cursor somewhere in the text - in this Cell - hit Ctrl+Shift+End - or use Story Editor to select this overset text - cut this part of the text, create new row in the Table and paste to a new Cell. 

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Ian Blogs

Or, looking at the text - you could rather select whole Cell and play with Tracking or Horizontal Scale - to make text narrower so it will fit. Looking at the contents on the right - it won't take too much.

[Eugene Tyson]

These are a few pages that I placed from a Word.doc. I can't figure out what is going on with Page 1. It seems to have overset text but I can't find it. I can see it in Story editor but can't release it. Also, I can not resize it. Does anyone know what it is?

Thanks for any help

By @Ian Blogs

Don't know why it's not working for you

I can clearly see overset text 

I can easily release it

I'm not sure what the mystery is 

Page 6 is linked back to Page 1 creating an odd loop - usually happens if someone unfamiliar with pages wants to move a page and the drag the page icon to rearrange pages - which causes irrational page threading - rather cutting pasting text to move text.

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So I cut all the text out by CMD A to select all text

Then deleted all pages except page 1

Then pasted the text back in and then added the pages and reflowed the text

And there's a table in the middle splitting the text for some reason - must be in the word doc like that. 

But I was able to cut the text from the overset and made some new pages to thread them

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Not really sure what the confusion is or how it can't be solved. 

It seems straightforward to me unless I'm missing something.

I've attached the file where I cut the overset text and created a new text thread for the overset text. 

Seems to be fine to me - just need to sort out the order of the text whatever that may be. 

And the pages not threaded correctly, happened to me 25 years ago, I didn't understand that to rearrange pages yo can't simply rearrange the page icons (this was in Quark) and to rearrange the pages you need to cut and paste the text to reflow the text. 

So when things go bad - and things aren't making sense with page order or text order content - start over.

Cut all the text. 

Delete all pages - except page 1 or even Page 2 if you have a specific type header (page 2 then becomes page 1)

then flow your text back through the document .

Hope that makes sense.

[Ian Blogs]

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[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Eugene Tyson

Looks like the "problem" is with the overset text in the 1st cell of the table - not the TextFrame.

[Eugene Tyson]

So it's just text in a table cell? 

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

So it's just text in a table cell? 

By @Eugene Tyson

Yes, not the TextFrame.