Cannot Replace Type 1 Fonts?

[johnd59898678]

I have an InDesign Document that I created about a year ago (I update it annually for a client). It uses several Franklin Gothic font variations. When I first opened this document yesterday, I saw the common warning from Adobe that Type 1 fonts are being deprecated, and that document contains quite a few as can be seen here...

I have gone through this before where I select the OTF replacements that I have with the same names and hit "Change All" and this has always worked on other documents until now.

I am on Mac Pro 2019, latest version of InDesign and Big Sur latest version. I also use Suitcase Fusion to activate and auto-activate fonts (as always in the past). This shows the OTF replacements for some of the fonts in question in this document...

When I try to replace the Type 1 fonts with the OTF activated versions I get this garbled result...

I have tried everything I can think of - restarting everything including computer, saving as IDML and opening that - always the same result? I can make changes to text inside the document without  replacing fonts, but I have no idea where it is getting that Type 1 font info from as I have removed all of them on my system? The problem so far has only shown up in this one document and I no longer get the Adobe font warning when opening it?

If I open a NEW InDesign Document and choose ANY of the same OTF fonts used in the problem document they work perfectly. If I got to Find/Replace fonts in the new document it looks perfect - no Type 1 fonts.

If I make text changes to the problem document (without trying to update the Type 1 fonts) I can successfully save a print PDF - I just cannot update the fonts to fix it for the future.

I have several other multi-page documents for this client using the same older fonts and now I am scared to even open them.

Any Idea how to fix this?

[Willi Adelberger · Accepted solution]

1. Do you work with Paragraph & Character Styles? You should do so.
2. When you replace fonts activate the option to redefine the styles. (Item 1 must be YES)
3. The Mac has several places to save Fonts:
   • System/Library/Fonts (never do make any changes here)
   • User/<Username>/Library/Fonts, 
   • Library/Fonts
   • Library/Application Support/<Softwarebrand>/Fonts
   • inside some Application Packages in its Ressource Folders
   • Font Folder aside any saved INDD file.
   • In the same folder as the Application (like InDesign) is another Font Folder

I recommend to make it clean to have the fonts only in a single folder, but do not make any changes in the System Font Folder.

Fonts can be included in EPS or PDF files.

[johnd59898678]

Willi,

Thanks this set me on the right track to a solution. Of course, I will need to go through my entire system and weed everything out.

The document in question was in a folder where I had "packaged" the content in InDesign. That in turn created a "Document Fonts" folder inside the packaged folder - that is where it was going first to find the fonts used. Once I deleted that "Document Fonts" folder (and slected Redefine Styles as well), I was able to successfully replace all the Type 1 fonts with OTF versions from Suitcase.

Thanks again!

[Peter Spier]

Let me start by saying I haven't used Suitcase in twenty years, but when I did it was the source of countless font problems.

What you are seeing looks to me very much like multiple versions of the same font name are being loaded.