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Is ther a way to Multiply Transparency of Paragraph Shading?

Explorer ,
Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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Is there a way to Multiply Paragraph Shading, or give the illusion of this?

I've tried as well making the tint 80% and selecting 'Overprint'. I have also selected VIEW/OVERPRINT PREVIEW, but that just makes the tint 80% with no transparency.

 

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Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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Two things:

Would help if you gave a screenshot.

Also have you tried applying a drop shadow effect to both the actual text and the object? If the object only contains Text then this can re-produce an additional multiply effect making the shadow intensity even stronger:

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EW

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Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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You may only need the effect applied to the text but its worth being aware of.

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Explorer ,
Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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Just to make clear I'm not trying to apply a drop shadow, I'm talking about Paragraph Shading.

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Advisor ,
Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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Ok my bad... I have been answering too many posts today...

So to clarify you want to know how to MULTIPLY the effect of paragraph shading correct?

I take it you know about paragraph styles and the paragraph shading options contained within??

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Can you show a screenshot of your work and an idea of what it needs to look like?

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Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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I'm tempted to keep rather than delete my useless post about effects and drop shadows as if all else fails this may be another option to create this outcome

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Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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Or are you trying to make the text more opaque? I'm somewhat confused now I read your post again.

Screenshots would help.

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Community Expert ,
Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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I'm also unclear, Carol.

There is not a multiply blend mode option for paragraph shading, but you can add it to a frame.

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Community Expert ,
Apr 05, 2017 Apr 05, 2017

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If you multiply the text or its frame both the shading and the text multiply, which I assume you don't want?

Screen Shot 2017-04-05 at 5.46.15 PM.png

But it looks to me like the Paragraph Shading Overprint setting does work as long as you follow the rules of overprinting. Overprint only works with CMYK colors and the color that is overprinting can't contain a percentage of the color below. So here in the top example my shading is set to 100|0|0|0 cyan and it overprints the 100% magenta below. But if I add 1% magenta 100|1|0|0 to the shading color there is no overprint.

I don't think there is a way to multiply the shading and not the text but I haven't used shading that much

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Explorer ,
Apr 06, 2017 Apr 06, 2017

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Correct. I would like to just have the shading be transparent, NOT the text. And ideally without having to manually adding a box behind the text as I like the way this could be automated using paragraph styles. Here's a screen shot to give an idea.

I don't really care if it's paragraph shading, rules or some other method, but I'd like the background to be tied into some sort of paragraph or character style or even an object style if possible.

I tried making the grey box 80% and applying overprint views but it just lightens the grey.Untitled-2.jpg

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Community Expert ,
Apr 06, 2017 Apr 06, 2017

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I tried making the grey box 80% and applying overprint views but it just lightens the grey.

The overprint isn't working because your shade color is a 4-color mix over what looks like a grayscale image. In some cases overprinting acts like a multiply, but they are not the same. It would work if your shading color had no black in the mix. Overprinting is not intuitive and if this is going to a press you'll have to make sure the printer isn't overriding the overprint settings.

Here my overprint color is 82|75|75|0 (no black) and the image below is a grayscale:

Screen Shot 2017-04-06 at 12.29.32 PM.png

You could also make the background image RGB or 4-color CMYK and use a black only tint for the overprint color:

Screen Shot 2017-04-06 at 12.31.43 PM.png

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Explorer ,
Apr 06, 2017 Apr 06, 2017

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Hey Rob thanks for all the help and explanation, I just don't think it can be done the way I suggest.

I've taken a screen cap, and yes I can change the transparency of the text box under the Effects Panel (see grey area in screen shot)

But there appears to be no option to do this with paragraph shading (the cyan colour in screen shot) which is a shame. Would be a very helpful option. I also tried this with paragraph rules and that also will not let you make the rule transparent.

I'm going to see if Adobe has any info.

If I come across a solution I'll post here.

Thanks again for the help!Untitled-2.jpg

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Explorer ,
Apr 06, 2017 Apr 06, 2017

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Sorry wrong screen shotUntitled-2.jpg

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LEGEND ,
Apr 06, 2017 Apr 06, 2017

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Hi,

Just a comment!

Why don't you do it with 2 autosized text frames using "Multiply" Fill + "Normal" Text?

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Community Expert ,
Apr 06, 2017 Apr 06, 2017

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Am I right that the image's mode is grayscale? Do you need the multiplied text frame fill?

Without the fill an overprinted 50% cyan should look something like this:

Screen Shot 2017-04-06 at 5.49.54 PM.png

If you wanted a darker value blue you can add magenta & yellow, but not black:

Screen Shot 2017-04-06 at 6.02.21 PM.pngScreen Shot 2017-04-06 at 6.02.31 PM.png

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Apr 06, 2017 Apr 06, 2017

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I agree with Obi, the new paragraph shading feature is great for running text where you want a color block behind an individual paragraph inside the running text (you don't have to draw out an extra fill block). You wouldn't need it for paragraphs that are all the same.

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Explorer ,
Jun 13, 2024 Jun 13, 2024

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Carol - I've just had this same query for a brochure front cover. My workaround is to remove shading from my 3 lines of text , and set them inside 3 x text boxes, one under the other, and apply a fill set to Multiply with 80% opacity. The text renains crisp white at 100% opacity. I certainly hope that you've resolved this yourself in the last 7 years. You can then set this as an Object Style. It's a shame that in 2024, this is still not an option for shading.  

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 13, 2024 Jun 13, 2024

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Hi there,

 

We are sorry for the frustration and will ensure to share your feedback with the team. I found a similar request raised on the UserVoice page: https://adobe.ly/45k1Nq5.

We would request you to please submit your feedback and upvote the request to add your voice for better visibility.

 

Thanks,

Harshika 

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