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Notes de fin impossibles à renuméroter !

New Here ,
Nov 30, 2024 Nov 30, 2024

Bonjour à tous.
Avant, il suffisait dans les options de "notes de fin" de demander de numéroter à 1 à chaque section et non en continu. Mais dans le InDesign 2024 et 2025, on ne peut que numéroter à 1 à chaque article et non en continu et là, c'est la merde : Je n'arrive pas à numéroter mes notes de fin à partir de 1 à chaque chapitre (et j'ai plus de 30 chapitres !!).
C'était si simple de mettre un début de section dans les pages à chaque nouveau chapitre pour que les notes de fin soient numérotées à partir de 1.
Quelqu'un a-t-il une solution, s'il vous plaît ? Merci d'avance.

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Community Expert ,
Nov 30, 2024 Nov 30, 2024

Bonjour @anniea72348476 

Pour être franc, je n'utilise quasiment jamais les notes de fin (les notes de bas de page, oui). Mais sur mon Mac, j'ai 4 versions installées : 2022, 2023, 2024 et 2025. Les options de notes de fin sont absolument identiques pour chaque version. Et pour régler ton problème, puisqu'a priori, chaque chapitre est constitué d'un article, pourquoi ne choisis-tu pas « redémarrer à chaque article »?

En revanche, l'option « recommencer la numérotation à chaque section » existe pour les notes de bas de page.

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New Here ,
Nov 30, 2024 Nov 30, 2024
Pour être franche avec toi, je trouve ça archi nul les notes de fin
d'ouvrage. Personne ne les lit. Mais c'est une demande de l'éditeur parce
qu'il y en a plus de 3000. Bref, j'ai essayé de mettre redémarrer à chaque
article, mais la notion d'article est loin d'être claire, et ça ne
fonctionnait pas. J'ai résolu le problème, après avoir visionné une vidéo
tuto en anglais https://youtu.be/QxjJGQIQi-M?si=XRcQ65vwH8UuULhs qui
conseillait d'utiliser un script javascript dans "utilitaire" :
"SplitStory.jsx", et là j'ai compris que le problème provenait sans doute
du chaînage. J'ai donc résolu le problème en cassant le chaînage de texte
entre chaque chapitre tout simplement. Et là, ça fonctionne bien : les
notes de fin se mettent bien à la queu-leu-leu, avec un espace suffisant
pour noter le numéro de chapitre tout en redémarrant bien à 1. Mais c'est
une solution un peu casse-gueule, je trouve. Et mon test se contentait de 2
chapitres. Je verrai quand j'aurai terminé les 32 chapitres ! 😞
En tout cas, merci de ta réponse.
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Community Expert ,
Nov 30, 2024 Nov 30, 2024

la notion d'article est loin d'être claire

Pour InDesign, un article est un bloc texte ou une succession de blocs chaînés. 

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LEGEND ,
Nov 30, 2024 Nov 30, 2024

@anniea72348476

 

Depends on the size of each part - you could split your document into separate INDD files and then join everything together using Book option? 

 

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New Here ,
Nov 30, 2024 Nov 30, 2024
I tried that, but it didn’t work well. I had to copy and paste the end
notes in a final file and all the endnotes lost their number.
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Participant ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

Bonjour,

J'ai un problème similaire avec un recueil bilingue de poésies (hindi page paire - traduction française en face-à-face, page impaire).

Pour "couler" le face à face, je suis obligé de chaîner les pages paires aux pages paires et impaires aux pages impaires (certains poèmes font plus d'une page).

Du coup mes notes de fin (justifiées de mon point de vue, pour éviter un déséquilibre ente l'original et sa traduction) sont mal numérotées : la première note relative au texte français suit la dernière note relative au hindi, et donc pas la numérotation des pages.

Voir copie d'écran ci-dessous avec, sur la page de gauche la note 5 et sur la page de droite, 67, c'est à dire la dernière note hindi (66) + 1. Pour plus de clarté, j'ai aussi rendu visibles le chaînage entre blocs.

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Et je n'ai pas du tout envie de couper les liens entre blocs, le livre n'étant pas finalisé !!!

Si quelqu'un a une solution, je suis preneur !!!

Merci d'avance...

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LEGEND ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

@Pascal Garin

 

You could use my ID-Tasker tool: 

 

https://id-tasker.com/2024/05/12/mixing-auto-custom-footnotes/ 

 

It's not free but i can give you access to the full version for free for a few days. 

 

You can then re-number Footnotes in each story independently. 

 

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Participant ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

Dear Robert,

Thank you for your hep. I must confess that I am a bit surprised that InDesign does not provide this feature and that I would have to pay for that.

In general, I find that notes (footnotes or endnotes) are poorly managed in InDesign, in particular when importing a Microsoft Word text (which is basic to my point of view).

To be frank, I work for free for a small French editor, and already pay the expensive Adobe subscription, but OK, let us have a look at your proposal, which I welcome (thank you to provide any useful information, as I never used third parties addons). Please note also that I work on Windows environment, not Mac.

Regards,
Pascal

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LEGEND ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

@Pascal Garin

. Unfortunately, not everything in InDesign is working / implemented correctly.

 

My ID-Tasker tool is Windows only. I've noticed from your screenshot that you work on a PC. 

 

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Participant ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

Dear Sir,
Can you please give me instructions to try for free your addon during a couple of days?
I’m afraid I can’t subscribe to such a tool (your prices are out of my budget), not being a professional.
Thank you in advance,
Pascal Garin

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LEGEND ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

@Pascal Garin

 

I've sent you a message - please check the envelope at the top of the page of this forum. 

 

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Community Expert ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

Du coup mes notes de fin (justifiées de mon point de vue, pour éviter un déséquilibre ente l'original et sa traduction) sont mal numérotées : la première note relative au texte français suit la dernière note relative au hindi, et donc pas la numérotation des pages.

Va dans les options de notes de fin et choisis « redémarrer à chaque article »

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LEGEND ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

@jmlevy

 

So in this context - Article = Story? 

 

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Community Expert ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

So in this context - Article = Story? 

@Robert at ID-Tasker  Yes, that's how it's translated in the french version.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 07, 2025 Jan 07, 2025

@jmlevy 

 

For some reason I was looking at FOOTnotes not ENDnotes - when I was replying from my phone and checking online help...

 

In English version - it's clear as day - "Restart Every STORY" - for ENDnotes:

 

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Participant ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

Thank you for your comments to all of you (I shift to English, as probably more people will understand me), but your proposals do not help.
Changing the numbering of notes (endnotes and footnotes have the same behaviour) from “continuous” to “start with each article” does not solve this problem (I tried it before posting my initial request): the notes start at 1 at the fist odd page, instead being the last even note + 1.
In my example (see screenshot), odd (French page 15) note is now 1 (before it was 67), instead of 6 (facing even page + 1).Article Numbering.png
The problem comes from the fact that InDesign (and, frankly speaking, I do not understand why) works prioritarily with text blocks rather than pages for notes (once again footnotes and endnotes are treated similarily). It considers that text blocks should be threaded page after page, whereas you can “of course” thread your blocks on non-contiguous pages. It considers text blocks threaded together as one “article”, instead of giving priority to pages.
I reported this bug to Adobe’s bug reports age, but who knows when (and if) they will consider it…

Regards,

Pascal Garin

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Community Expert ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

Changing the numbering of notes (endnotes and footnotes have the same behaviour) from “continuous” to “start with each article” does not solve this problem (I tried it before posting my initial request): the notes start at 1 at the fist odd page, instead being the last even note + 1.

I did not understand that you wanted the note on the odd page to be numbered as “even page note +1”.

It considers text blocks threaded together as one “article”, instead of giving priority to pages.

Yes, and it is completely logical since you have 2 independant stories (articles). I don't see how InDesign could “understand” that the even page is related to the odd page.

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LEGEND ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

@Pascal Garin

 

So you want to keep numbering between Stories / languages - page-by-page? Like it's a one continuous text? 

 

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Participant ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

Exactly!

This is the way a book behaves, no?

Notes (footnotes of endnotes) are numbered according to pages, with a potential reset at each beginning of chapter or large section (what probably Adobe calls "Story" or "Article".

And, in the case of face-to-face bilingual book, they are also numbered according to pages.

 

BTW, I have posted one hour ago a message detailing my method: I don't see it now; I am afraid this post has been lost. A pity...

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LEGEND ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

@Pascal Garin

 

I don't think so - Footnotes / Endnotes should be "linked" with the same text - you have two different pieces of text - and in two completely "different" languages.

 

Your situation is - or expectations are - rather non-standard. 

 

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Participant ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

For strange reasons, the following post is no longer on this thread. I thus try again.


To clarify my problem, this is what I do (and please apologize: I don’t consider I am an InDesign top expert). I already used successfully this method on other books, but they had notes only on French translation, so I did not encounter any problem. My problem comes from the fact that now, I have notes on both sides (foreign language AND French).
The goal is to prepare a bilingual book, with face-to-face texts (in general poetry, but it can be anything else):

  • The even pages contain the original text in English, Hindi, etc.
  • The odd pages contain the French translation.
  • I want that at top of pages, both texts properly face together.

First, I create, from the (in general very bad) manuscripts I receive, three Word documents. They are at A4 format, as I don’t know in advance the size of the book, so I don’t know where page breaks will occur.

  • The first one contains all first pages (semi-title page, title page, copyrights page, introductory chapters): these pages will be threaded continuously at the beginning of the book.
  • The second one contains the text in its original language (English, Hindi…): they will appear on even pages. In the case of poems, there are separated by section breaks (Word, correctly imported in InDesign)
  • The third one contains the French translation: it will appear on odd pages (section breaks between poems).

I have prepared an InDesign template, with the first pages threaded continuously, then even pages threaded together, and odd pages threaded together (see screenshot).

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I import the three Word documents at their appropriate places. If I forget the first pages, which don’t pose any problem, I have at this moment an InDesign document with the texts at their correct position. If a poem AND its translation fit in one page, nothing to do. Otherwise, I just add near the bottom of even and odd pages paragraph breaks, at the bottom right, a “to be continued” sign: …/… and at the next pages both texts are properly facing together.
This method considerably eases my work, as I don’t have to create pages, cut/paste the bottom of a text at the new pages on both languages, etc.
I understand that, doing so, InDesign considers that the even pages constitute an “article” or “story” (I don't know the English terminology) and numbers the notes accordingly. But THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT!
Indeed, the reader doesn’t expect something like note 1, 2 (even page), 67 (odd page), then 3, 4 (next even page), 68 (next odd page), etc. He/she is expecting continuous numbering along the book!
I would thus warmly appreciate any other simple method from somebody having already elaborated bilingual books, as it seems that there is no way to deal with the software as it is.
Regards,
Pascal Garin

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Community Expert ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

I understand that, doing so, InDesign considers that the even pages constitute an “article” or “story” (I don't know the English terminology) and numbers the notes accordingly. But THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT!
Indeed, the reader doesn’t expect something like note 1, 2 (even page), 67 (odd page), then 3, 4 (next even page), 68 (next odd page), etc. He/she is expecting continuous numbering along the book!

The only solution I see would be to:

  1. layout your book as you usually do, with 2 different stories (original language on the left pages and french on the right pages) WITHOUT adding any endnotes
  2. once you are sure that the layout is final, unthread the text frames of each story. You can use the “SplitStory” scrit which is shipped with InDesign.
  3. install the “TextStitch” script that you will find here:
    https://rorohiko.com/wordpress/textstitch-for-indesign/
    It will thread the frames according the “logical” order (left to right and so on)
  4. insert your notes. Since you have created a single story, the notes will be numbered as you wish.
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Participant ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

Thanks a lot for your rapid feedback.
I am afraid that deletion and recreation of notes will be very tedious (and risky!), as some books may contain more than one hundred notes!!!
What I can try, although much less elegant, is to create a Word document at the same size as the book and with alternate foreign/French texts as in the book. Word is indeed much more flexible than InDesign. And then import this full document in InDesign on continuous pages. And… crossing my fingers that the editor will not change the dimensions of pages, font or font size, or whatever, later!
But I am a bit surprised that this rather basic problem (face-to-face book), to my point of view, cannot be better tackled by Adobe software…
Kind regards,
Pascal Garin

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LEGEND ,
Jan 08, 2025 Jan 08, 2025

@Pascal Garin

 

You could use @jmlevy  "workaround" - with a slight modification - don't delete any Endnotes at any point - work as you are working now - then use Split Story script - to separate TextFrames - then join them together using Text Stitch 😉

 

InDesign will re-number all Endnotes automatically again. 

 

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