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Object style inset query

Engaged ,
Nov 11, 2022 Nov 11, 2022

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Hi all. Quick question with object styles. I am creating a price box to use in catalogues. Currently we use a box with a white outline grouped with four individual text boxes (left in pic). This means depending on the length of the item name and whether there is a saving, I am constantly altering the sizes of the the boxes. So I created a version with object styles instead (right in pic). I am happy with what I have except I can't get the bottom inset in this version, ie the item code is flush with the bottom. In fact when I altered any of the top or side insets in the object styles text frame general options as a test none of them changed. Why is that? Any help appreciated! Thanks.

 

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Nov 11, 2022 Nov 11, 2022

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We'd have to see the file to see what is going on.

 

 

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Engaged ,
Nov 11, 2022 Nov 11, 2022

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No problem, here's an example document. It contains the current version on the left (not an object style, but visually accurate) then two styles depending on whether there is a saving or not as I couldn't work out how to use just one as the spacing is different in each.

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Nov 11, 2022 Nov 11, 2022

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Would this be OK?

It is done with an object style, including 4 paragraph styles (I did not include the character styles for the smaller numbers)

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Nov 11, 2022 Nov 11, 2022

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You read my mind

 

I was working on a sample

 

Open the Window>Styles>Object Styles

 

Select the unstyled text - and click the Product Label Object style

 

 

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Engaged ,
Nov 11, 2022 Nov 11, 2022

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Thanks Eugene - I am comparing those and can't see the setting that is controlling that inset at the bottom, or preventing me altering mine...

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Engaged ,
Nov 11, 2022 Nov 11, 2022

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Adding the 1.5mm inset via the text frame options means I can't control the width so much as I don't need that inset on the sides, but when I use the independent inset values in the Object Style itself is where the issues arise. Also I can't reduce the width beyond a certain point, it needs to be 17.82mm but I think it looks like the inset prevents this happening?

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Nov 11, 2022 Nov 11, 2022

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We make it 17.82mm for the width

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Paragraph Shading - clip to frame

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You can make it 3048mm (that's the max) but it will always clip to the frame

So you do need to keep the text inset

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If you want your text closer

edit the product paragraph style

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And set the baseline shift

 

All mine move cos they are all based on each other.

 

I just need to adjust the paragraph shading again

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Aslo paragraph shading for the item no.

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Then a little more tidying up around the edges

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You can get there.

 

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Engaged ,
Nov 14, 2022 Nov 14, 2022

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Thanks for the detailed 'how to' Eugene, much appreciated. Hadn't spotted the clip to frame option which is useful, as I've spent time in the past agonisingly altering shading to make it just right when I could have simply clipped it. The only thing that bugs me with this outcome is counteracting the bottom inset with a baseline shift, as I edit these codes all day manually. Ideally it would all be a data merge but we're not quite there yet.

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Nov 14, 2022 Nov 14, 2022

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The baseline shift should just lift it enough off the bottom of the frame.

I don't see it being problematic. 

 

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Nov 14, 2022 Nov 14, 2022

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Hi @Spenno Did you have a look to my sample file? I used paragraph rules instead of paragraph shadings, and it seems that it works quite well. I repost it here with an unformatted text frame.

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Nov 14, 2022 Nov 14, 2022

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Ah yes, thank you for this. Also very useful. Paragraph rules are often overlooked as a solution in scenarios like this.

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Nov 14, 2022 Nov 14, 2022

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Yeh, I was trying with that too. My issue was it wasn't dynamic in text size changes. But it's an interesting approach and works really well. 

 

If that works better for the OP then that is brilliant!

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