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Opening double quotation mark is displayed as single quotation mark

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Apr 29, 2022 Apr 29, 2022

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I have a text like the following which includes a quote with double quotation marks:

Diese elende „Ursuppe“.

If I set this text in Poppins Regular or any other font, everything works just fine and the text is displayed with the correct quotation marks. If I set it in Poppins Regular Italic, the opening (and just the opening) quotation mark is shown as a single and not a double quotation mark. In other programs, the font just works fine and shows the correct quotation mark.

 

Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix this? I'm very glad for any help.

 

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Adobe Employee , May 10, 2022 May 10, 2022

Hi All,

 

We are sorry for the trouble, and thank you for reporting the issue. We've escalated the issue to the fonts team, and they have updated the font files. The changes will be reflected in some time. 

 

Please try refreshing after a while and let us know if the issue is resolved for you.

 

We will try our best to help.

 

Thank you, @Laubenderfor posting the issue on the fonts uservoice with details. It was really helpful. 

 

Thanks,

Harshika

 

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Community Expert ,
Apr 29, 2022 Apr 29, 2022

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Does it change if you upgrade to 17.2.1?

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Apr 29, 2022 Apr 29, 2022

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I'm currently working with 17.2.1 and the problem still occurs.

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Enthusiast ,
Apr 29, 2022 Apr 29, 2022

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Passiert was wenn du mit der Suchen/Ersetzen Funktion das einfache Anführungzeichen mit dem korrekten austauschen lässt?

Da du schreibst, dass die Italic Version dieser Schrift in anderen Programme keinerlei Probleme macht, möchte ich mal behaupten dass es (wiedermal) ein Bug von Indesign ist! Und wenn du jetzt einfach nur in der Italic Version das falsche Anführungszeichen mit einer anderen ähnlichen Font austauschst? Ich weiß es ist nicht die professionellste Lösung, aber zumindest ein Versuch wert. Oder komplett Schriftart wechseln wenn es nicht unbedingt die Poppins sein muss...

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Apr 29, 2022 Apr 29, 2022

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InDesign verwendet interessanterweise das richtige Schriftzeichen (wenn ich es z. B. in den Suchen/Ersetzen-Dialog kopiere, wird es richtig angezeigt).

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Enthusiast ,
Apr 29, 2022 Apr 29, 2022

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Ok, aber hast du es dann auch ersetzen lassen? Wird es danach korrekt angezeigt?

Oder ist es am Ende wirklich nur eine Ansichtsgeschichte, und es wird korrekt im Pdf oder beim Drucken angezeigt?

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Ja, ich habe es versucht, allerdings hat erst gar nichts gefunden, was zu ersetzen war, was dafür spricht, dass eigentlich schon alle Anführungszeichen korrekt gesetzt waren.

 

Ein PDF-Export zeigt leider genau dasselbe Problem.

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Enthusiast ,
Apr 29, 2022 Apr 29, 2022

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Ich habe es gerade bei mir getestet, da ich zufälligerweise dieselbe Font hier habe.

Ich habe keinerlei Probleme mit dieser Schrift (egal welchen Schnitt) und den doppelten Anführungszeichen...

Also schätze ich dass es nun doch an deinem Dokument liegt. Mal als .idml speichern und neu als .indd abspeichern? Vielleicht reicht es Indesign zu schließen und erneut öffnen (wenn du es davor noch nicht versucht hattest)?

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Faszinierend. Scheinbar liefert Adobe Fonts kaputte Schriftarten aus, denn nachdem ich die Schriftart über Creative Cloud deaktiviert habe und selbst neu installiert habe, funktioniert plötzlich alles.

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Apr 29, 2022 Apr 29, 2022

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Vielen Dank, @aniri5j9ox8tw2ln, für deine Unterstützung!

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Enthusiast ,
May 02, 2022 May 02, 2022

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Freut mich dass es am Ende geklappt hat!

Ich hätte erwähnen müssen, dass ich diese Font auch manuell (wie alle bisherige) installiert habe - denn ich benutze die Funktion Adobe Fonts gar nicht...

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Apr 30, 2022 Apr 30, 2022

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hansegucker: "Faszinierend. Scheinbar liefert Adobe Fonts kaputte Schriftarten aus, denn nachdem ich die Schriftart über Creative Cloud deaktiviert habe und selbst neu installiert habe, funktioniert plötzlich alles."

 

Ja, faszinierend. Hm… Ich werde noch nicht schlau daraus, was da passiert sein könnte…

 

War im Problemfall der Schriftschnitt automatisch aktiviert worden?

Also war in den InDesign-Voreinstellungen unter dem Reiter "Dateihandhabung" die Option Schriftarten > [ ] Adobe Fonts automatisch aktivieren eingeschaltet? Diese Einstellung ist bei einer Neuinstallation von InDesign ausgeschaltet. Ich selbst habe bisher keine Notwendigkeit verspürt, die Option einzuschalten.

 

hansegucker: "… und selbst neu installiert habe, funktioniert plötzlich alles."

Hast Du die Schriftart über Adobe Fonts zunächst deaktiviert und dann über Adobe Fonts wieder aktiviert?

Oder hast Du die Schrift im System installiert, da Dir die Schriftdateien vorliegen? Möglicherweise über einen Download von Google Fonts?

 

Gruß,
Uwe Laubender

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May 02, 2022 May 02, 2022

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"Faszinierend. Scheinbar liefert Adobe Fonts kaputte Schriftarten aus, denn nachdem ich die Schriftart über Creative Cloud deaktiviert habe und selbst neu installiert habe, funktioniert plötzlich alles."

 

Hallo hansegucker,

hab' nun das Problem nachstellen können. Die Schriftfamilie Poppins ist aktiviert über Adobe Fonts.

Schriftschnitt Italic angewendet. Die doppelte Anführung kommt falsch. Das korrekte Zeichen habe ich getippt. Siehe das Zeichen im Story Editor Fenster ( aufzurufen mit Strg + y im deutschen Windows 10 ) :

 

220501-1-BUG-Showing-INDD-17.2.1.png

 

InDesign 17.2.1.105 auf Windows 10.

 

Was sagt nun das Glyphen Bedienfeld?

Keine große Überraschung:

DOUBLE LOW -9 QUOTATION MARK

So soll's ja auch sein.

 

Da haben wohl die Schriftenhersteller nicht aufgepasst:

 

220501-2-BUG-Showing-INDD-17.2.1-105-GlyphPanel.png

 

Also ist das Problem NICHT InDesign, sondern der Schriftschnitt ausgeliefert über Adobe Fonts.

Kleiner Gegencheck mit Adobe Illustrator 2022 zeigt das gleiche Bild:

220501-3-BUG-Showing-Adobe-Illustrator-2022.png

 

Der Fehler taucht übrigens bei allen "Italic"-Schnitten der Poppins-Schriftfamilie von Adobe Fonts auf:

 

Thin Italic

ExtraLight Italic

Light Italic

Italic

Medium Italic

SemiBold Italic

Bold Italic

ExtraBold Italic

Black Italic

 

Du solltest einen neuen Diskussionsbeitrag im Adobe Fonts Forum erstellen, der den Bug zum Thema hat:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/adobe-fonts/ct-p/ct-fonts?page=1&sort=latest_replies&lang=all&tabid=a...

 

Gruß,
Uwe Laubender

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Ich habe einen Bug-Report geschrieben.

Veröffentlicht auf der UserVoice-Seite des Forums Adobe Fonts:

https://adobefonts.uservoice.com/forums/940222-adobe-fonts-feature-requests-and-feedback/suggestions...

 

Mal sehen, ob sich eine Lösung ergibt…

 

Gruß,
Uwe Laubender

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Hi All,

 

We are sorry for the trouble, and thank you for reporting the issue. We've escalated the issue to the fonts team, and they have updated the font files. The changes will be reflected in some time. 

 

Please try refreshing after a while and let us know if the issue is resolved for you.

 

We will try our best to help.

 

Thank you, @Laubenderfor posting the issue on the fonts uservoice with details. It was really helpful. 

 

Thanks,

Harshika

 

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Hi Harshika,

thank you for letting us know!

 

For me the issue is fixed now. But to fix it with the InDesign documents that are using the Poppins Italic styles required some extra steps. The procedure was far from seamless.

 

[1] If I re-activated the Poppins font family through the Creative Cloud Desktop App the new version was not available with the fixed glyph. CC Desktop App seems to use an old cached version of the font family.

[2] To get the new version of the font family I had to activate it through:

https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/poppins

 

[3] Even then InDesign could not substitute the old version with the new version automatically.

When I opened my test document from May 1st with Poppins Italic InDesign 17.2.1 issued a missing font warning:

220511-0-MISSING-FONT-Preflight-after-activating-Poppins-again-Zoom-800%.PNG

Note, that at this time the whole Poppins font family was indeed available in the Fonts menu of InDesign.

Also note that the glyph rendering of that "missing font style" was perfect. Despite the fact that InDesign preflight issued that missing font warning and the text was marked with pink to show that.

 

So I substituted Poppins Italic with itself and also changed all styles at the same time:

220511-1-MISSING-FONT-WARNING-after-activating-Poppins-again.PNG

220511-2-MISSING-FontStyle-Substituted-with-NewActivatedStyle.PNG

 

Saved that document to a new name. Here a screenshot for comparisom of the glyph rendering from the screenshot before:

220511-0-MISSING-FONT-SUBSTITUTED-after-activating-Poppins-again-Zoom-800%.PNG

 

Both InDesign documents attached.

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

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Jun 17, 2023 Jun 17, 2023

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I just got the problem 2 months into working with the same document. I'm not using an adobe font, I've downloaded it. So it must be inside indesign since the issue popped up out of nowhere. 

 

it's been a year and there still doesn't seem to be a solution. writing a bachelor thesis like this is a nightmare!

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@serane said: "...I'm not using an adobe font, I've downloaded it. So it must be inside indesign since the issue popped up out of nowhere."

 

I don't think so. The issue is with your downloaded font file.

See into my first screenshot there:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/opening-double-quotation-mark-is-displayed-as-si...

 

Try to do a screenshot like this with the Story Editor window open. And post it here.

My suggestion: use a different font for your thesis.

 

Thanks,
Uwe Laubender

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