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Question about Hanging Punctuation

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Nov 14, 2023 Nov 14, 2023

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And can anyone explain why hanging punctuation no longer works?

 

I have a Pull-Quote style set to ignore the optical margin. It works in the first column but doesn't in the fourth.

 

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No Overides. No idea why.

 

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Nov 14, 2023 Nov 14, 2023

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Hi @Will Price:

 

The real question is why does InDesign put the hanging indent controls in the Type menu and not Object menu—it's enabled for the story and not via a paragraph style definition. (Ignore Optical Margin settings is an para-level option, but enabling it is not.) Very confusing. 

 

The answer at any rate, is to enable it for the frame in your second screenshot, if it is a stand-alone frame, and not threaded to the one in your first screen shot. 

 

~Barb

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Hi Barb,

 

Thanks for the reply. I'm still confused.

You can override paragraph styles with text frame properties? If so, where do I find that? I can't see anything on the text frame properties to set it to ignore the optical margin.

 

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Optical margins are NOT a part of the paragraph style, they are defined in the story panel. The definitions there are part of the object style. 

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I found it. It's in Type > Story > Optical Margin Alignment.

 

InDesign is eating itself with all these different places to do the same thing, some of which override the other.

 

It's become far too complicated.

 

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There's nothing new here. 

 

I agree that it takes getting used to the Story panel because it's (almost) the only panel which has only one use—optical margin alignment. But that feature isn't a paragraph feature so it's necessary.

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Hi Will:

 

As I said on the other thread‚ I'm teaching today so time is limited. I'll cycle back afterwards to elaborate, but basically I was just musing out loud about the confusing nature of hanging punctuation. It's controlled by the story/threaded text frames and not by paragraphs even though it is in the Type menu with the text commands. 

 

But has Steve said, this has not changed since the feature was introduced. It's always been this way.

 

~Barb

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