random "S" capitalisation end of words issue

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Oct 18, 2021 Oct 18, 2021

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Hi

I am working on a 500 page book in german and have had this problem for a while. 

Randomly I get the last letter of words ending with "s" changed to a capital "S". So for example houses would suddenly be changed to houseS (see also screeshots attached).

I work with ID 16.4 and have so far tried to reset preferences and deleted the cache, neither autocorrect nor dynamic spelling are enabled. 

Does anyone have any suggestions how I could fix this?

 

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Oct 18, 2021 Oct 18, 2021

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try exporting the file to .idml, open that and save as a new .indd

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Oct 18, 2021 Oct 18, 2021

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Hi Peter, 

thanks for your input! I tried this and was hopeful but soon discovered another capital "S" lurking in the wrong place again.

Do you have any other ideas? 

Many thanks
Kathrin

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Oct 18, 2021 Oct 18, 2021

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Afraid not really.

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Oct 18, 2021 Oct 18, 2021

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Would you mind sharing an InDesign file with just that bit of text in it?

Or the whole file if you think it's ok to share it.

 

 

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Oct 19, 2021 Oct 19, 2021

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Hi Eugene

thanks for getting back. I include a slimmer version of the document.

I spotted the problem appearing again on p. 21 - "ZonS".

Please let me know any insights...

 

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Oct 19, 2021 Oct 19, 2021

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I cannot see any reason for the capital S being applied.

The only thing I can think of is someone tried a find/replace for s to S and didn't realise that all S's would be applied.

 

You can find the rogue S by doing a search in Grep

 

(?<=\l)S\>

 

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(?<=) is a positive lookbehind - so it checks but doesn't mark

\l is a lowercase letter

S is the letter s

\> is end of word boundary

 

So it looks for but doesn't mark lowercase letters

(?<=\l)

Finds S

but only at the end of a word boundary

 

Should find them for you.

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Oct 19, 2021 Oct 19, 2021

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Thanks very much for looking, Eugene. Unfortunatley, it's not a simple find/replace problem in this case I don't think...

How to get the Grep for finding the rogue S was going to be my next question... so this really helpful, many thanks!

Kathrin

 

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Oct 19, 2021 Oct 19, 2021

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Hi Kathrin,

when exactly does this happen with the "S" at the end of a word?


If you assign a paragraph style?

If you assign a character style?
Already when you import the text to InDesign?

 

What's strange with paragraph style "Merve text 10 pt" for example:

Properties of text, that are usually used with Japanese only:

Kinsoku: Soft Kinsoku
Grid Alignment: Standard

 

And one character property that is usually used with the Middle East/NorthAfrica version of InDesign when you change from Hebrew or Arabic to English or e.g. German:

character direction: Left To Right

 

Can you tell something more about your workflow?
How do you import the text? Is the text's origin a Microsoft Word file perhaps?

 

And then the used fonts. How are they installed?

 

Thanks,
Uwe Laubender

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Oct 20, 2021 Oct 20, 2021

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Hi Uwe

Thanks very much for taking the time!

On a positive note, since replacing all the (50 or so) rogues with Eugene's grep finder yesterday it doesn't seem to happen anymore.

I think it would still be worth checking my font settings are all clean to avoid future issues in case the problem comes back. 

 

I see what you mean with Merve text 10 pt, didn't notice the settings you mention before.

They don't seem to originate in ID, how do I get rid of them? Or shall I trash the style and replace with a new one?

Kinsoku: Soft Kinsoku
Grid Alignment: Standard

character direction

 

I have many paragraph and character styles applied to the text which partially originated in word and there are a few japanese /korean/greek/russian characters in a couple of references, hence the fonts which are installed on my machine and setup as character styles. The imports from word where mapped to the styles in ID, (a technique which I abandoned later) and I did find some leftover character settings which weren't supposed to be there. The S would appear in any paragraph,,,

 

Many thanks

Kathrin

 

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Oct 20, 2021 Oct 20, 2021

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I think that when you want save the document you press accidentally Shift + s instead of Command + s.

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hi Leena,

the uppercase letter "S" appears only in the place where the lowercase "s" should be, so it cannot be accidentally pressed "shift + s" as you think

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