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the pdf file displays different colors than indesign

Community Beginner ,
Jul 28, 2023 Jul 28, 2023

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I have a problem with displaying colors in pdf. I prepare graphics in photoshop with Fogra38 profile, then I import it to inDesing, also with Fogra39 profile. Everything looks fine here, right. However, after exporting to pdf, the colors look different in Adobe Acrobat. For this project, the blue colors in pdf acrobat look more turquoise. Interestingly, when I open the same pdf in illustraror, the design looks fine, same as in photoshop and indesing. Can anyone solve this problem? Any settings in adobe acrobat?

This is an indesign project:

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a tutaj Adobe acrobat:

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Jul 28, 2023 Jul 28, 2023

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You're relying on a screen that is RGB to display CMYK.

InDesign/Illustrator/photoshop display of CMYK info is below par at best and have independent settings for display of colour.

Then you have your own monitor display.

 

Acrobat will have it's own settings for viewing PDFs unless you change the viewing capabilities of Acrobat in the preferences.

 

What you see on screen is no reflection of output, which have no connection to your screen, unless calibrated.

 

I'm not very good at explaining this stuff. @rob day  is a master of this.

 

To my mind, what I see on screen is just a representation of the colour.

I've managed over the last 25 years to disassociate what I find on screen to what is in print - and I don't really pay attention to screen colour any longer.

I know all the CMYK and Pantone colours in my mind and how they should print. 

 

And in the end that's all that matters to me - how they look on screen is something I don't pay attention to.

It's not important to me.

 

 

 

 

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Thank you very much for information. In your opinion, what is important? what I see in indesign and not pdf in adobe acrobat? I haven't seen such big discrepancies before, after changing my computer and reinstalling adobe programs I have this problem.

Should I change anything to help display colors for printing in Adobe Acrobat?

 

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There's a lot of influential factors.

 

Honestly, I cannot say. 

 

I work with the numbers that I see not the colours that I see.

 

If brand book says 100 m and 23 C and 93 Y and I can measure that InDesign/Illustrator/Photoshop and see that in a final output in Acrobat then that's good enough for me.

I could turn my screen to Black and White and get results in print.

 

I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong - I'm just trying to focus you on the output result.

Again - I'm probably not the best person here - but I hope it alieves something.

 

I'm also not saying things should be inconsistent your side.

I have 4 monitors, and the colour is different on all 4 of them. 

 

I'm just not that focused on the colour I see on screen. I guess I've tuned to output results than other results.

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Jul 28, 2023 Jul 28, 2023

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The document with FOGRA 39 as the CMYK Assignment (see Edit>Assign Profiles... to double check). Export set to default PDF/X-4

 

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The Output Preview in AcrobatPro:

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Hi @Aneta277820941tzq , Try Exporting to the default PSF/X-4  preset and view in AcrobatPro with Output Preview turned on—the PDF/X standards include an Output Intent profile, which Acrobat uses for the soft proof simulation

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As you write. I checked the numerical values and both photoshop and pdf are the same. And one files look so different. This annoys me a lot and makes my job more difficult. I haven't had that much of a problem with it for many years. Of course I understand your concept of work.
However, now that you've written about Adobe Pro. I noticed that I have Adobe Acrobat installed, not AcrobatPro. This may create problems....!!. I don't understand why I don't have AcrobatPro in my plan

 

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Colours on your screen don't matter for print.

 

Colours your clients see in acrobat pro or not or 9n their 3rd party viewers don't matter.

 

You cannot cater to all in screen viewership.

 

You can cater for output.

 

Yes can be more difficult 

 

But if it was easy then anyone could do it.

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Unfortunately it's the truth 🙂
I guess I can't do anything about it. One monitor, all adobe programs, and yet they display colors differently .... too bad

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Jul 29, 2023 Jul 29, 2023

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you know this down to hardware rather than software

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AcrobatReader should also accurately display a PDF exported to the PDF/X standard. What Export setting are you using from InDesign?

 

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my export settings:

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I tried different settings, also without color conversion, always the color in adobee acrobat displays more turquoise, resembling RGB mode. In inDesing these colors are blue

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In your Output dialog the Destination is set to Coated FOGRA39 not Document CMYK, a subtle difference but is Document CMYK also FOGRA39? It looks like you have something else assigned to the ID document, maybe the default US Web Coated SWOP? Can you show your ID document’s Assign Profiles... dialog? Can you share the PDF via an attachment?

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yes of course, I'm sending the pdf in the attachment. Interestingly, I noticed now that the same pdf opened in the browser displays the same colors as inDesing.

 

I am also sending a link to the indesign package

 

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/62hbrd9wcaoxd12ynnr09/h?rlkey=irgacxbe6qe4t3y5264rqi5pi&dl=0

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The ID file you shared doesn’t have a CMYK profile assigned, so that might be a problem with your InDesign soft proof. The PDF and ID file match if I set FOGRA as the Document assignment:

 

Here my Color Settings Working CMYK profile is US Web Coated SWOP, so because the InDesign Document has no profile and the image’s profile is also being ignored because of your CMYK Policy, the preview defaults to SWOP:

 

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thank you very much, I added a profile, which I must always remember. However, the problem that arose for me turned out to be a problem that many people struggle with. I did a larger search and found out that the problem with displaying colors in Adobe Acrobat is a bug in the program. Caused by the enabled security option (screen below), which blocks the color management of Adobe Acrobat. "The synchronization of the color management between Acrobat DC and Bridge is broken in cause of security options." When this option is turned off, the colors display the same as in other Adobe programs.

 

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Here is more information about it. I think many people with this problem can find it useful:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/acrobat-discussions/colors-are-much-too-saturated-in-acrobat/td-p/125...

 

@rob day  @Eugene Tyson Thank you very much for taking the time for me, with valuable tips for me :))

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Yes, I remember a similar thread in the ID forum. I don’t think it happens in AcrobatPro with Output Preview. Your CC subscription should let you install Pro

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