Book Color vs. CMYK Issue

[Case0535]

I hoep someone can help us -

We are having an issue with InDesign converting a Pantone color to CMYK.

The situation is this.

One of our conupter is a PC the other a Mac.

When I create a PDF from Indesign on the MAC and then open and check the colors in Acrobat, the pantone color in the file is showing as a 'BOOK' color.

When I open the same file on the PC and create the PDF file, the Pantone color is showing as a CMYK.

I need these machines to both keep the color as BOOK color.

I cannot find a setting or an option to fix this.
Does anyone have an idea?

[rob day]

Before you export make sure the Pantone swatch is set to Spot, and check your Ink Manager to make sure the color is not set to Process.

[Case0535]

Thanks - We've check to make sure the color swatch is 'spot color' and it is. We also checked the ink manager and the check boxes for 'All spots to Procees' and 'Use Standard Lab Values for Spots' are unchecked.

So, we are still seeing the same problem.

[rob day]

What preset are you using? I assume this is a print PDF and not interactive?

[Case0535]

This is the set up for the Mac:

Description
Use these settings to create Adobe PDF documents that are to be checked or must conform to PDF/X-3:2002, an ISO standard for graphic content exchange. For more information on creating PDF/X-3 compliant PDF documents, please refer to the Acrobat User Guide. Created PDF documents can be opened with Acrobat and Adobe Reader 4.0 and later.

PDF Preset: TMG Standard HiRes

Compatibility: Acrobat 8/9 (PDF 1.7)

Standards Compliance: None

General
Pages: All
Spreads: Off
View: Default
Layout: Default
Full Screen: Off
Generate Thumbnails: Off
Optimize PDF: Off
Create Acrobat Layers: Off
Export Layers: Visible and Printable Layers
Include Bookmarks: Off
Include Hyperlinks: Off
Export Nonprinting Objects: Off
Export Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: Off
Create Tagged PDF: Off
Interactive Elements: Do Not Include
&Create Separate PDF Files: Off

Compression
Color Images
Bicubic Downsample at: 600 ppi
for images above: 900 ppi
Compression: Automatic
Tile Size: N/A
Quality: Maximum

Grayscale Images
Bicubic Downsample at: 600 ppi
for images above: 900 ppi
Compression: Automatic
Tile Size: N/A
Quality: Maximum

Monochrome Images
Bicubic Downsample at: 1200 ppi
for images above: 1800 ppi
Compression: CCITT Group 4

Compress Text and Line Art: On
Crop Image Data to Frames: On

Marks and Bleeds
Crop Marks: Off
Bleed Marks: Off
Registration Marks: Off
Color Bars: Off
Page Information: Off
Page Mark Type: Default
Weight: 0.25 pt
Offset: 0.0833 in
Use Document Bleed Settings: On
Bleed Top: 0 in
Bleed Bottom: 0 in
Bleed Left: 0 in
Bleed Right: 0 in
Include Slug Area: Off

Output
Color Conversion: No Color Conversion
Destination: Working RGB - sRGB IEC61966-2.1
Profile Inclusion Policy: Include All Profiles

Simulate Overprint: N/A
Output Intent Profile Name: N/A
Output Condition: N/A
Output Condition Identifier: N/A
Registry Name: N/A

Advanced
Subset Fonts Below: 100%
Omit PDF: Off
Omit EPS: Off
Omit Bitmap Images: Off
Transparency Flattener Preset: N/A
Ignore Spread Overrides: N/A
Display Title: File Name
Language: English: USA

Security
N/A

Warnings

This is the set up for the PC:

Description
Use these settings to create Adobe PDF documents best suited for high-quality prepress printing. Created PDF documents can be opened with Acrobat and Adobe Reader 5.0 and later.

PDF Preset: TMG Standard High Res

Compatibility: Acrobat 5 (PDF 1.4)

Standards Compliance: None

General
Pages: All
Spreads: Off
View: Default
Layout: Default
Full Screen: Off
Generate Thumbnails: Off
Optimize PDF: On
Create Acrobat Layers: N/A
Export Layers: Visible and Printable Layers
Include Bookmarks: Off
Include Hyperlinks: Off
Export Nonprinting Objects: Off
Export Visible Guides and Baseline Grids: Off
Create Tagged PDF: Off
Interactive Elements: Do Not Include
&Create Separate PDF Files: Off

Compression
Color Images
Bicubic Downsample at: 600 ppi
for images above: 900 ppi
Compression: Automatic
Tile Size: N/A
Quality: Maximum

Grayscale Images
Bicubic Downsample at: 600 ppi
for images above: 900 ppi
Compression: Automatic
Tile Size: N/A
Quality: Maximum

Monochrome Images
Bicubic Downsample at: 1800 ppi
for images above: 2700 ppi
Compression: CCITT Group 4

Compress Text and Line Art: On
Crop Image Data to Frames: On

Marks and Bleeds
Crop Marks: Off
Bleed Marks: Off
Registration Marks: Off
Color Bars: Off
Page Information: Off
Page Mark Type: Default
Weight: 0.25 pt
Offset: 0.0833 in
Use Document Bleed Settings: On
Bleed Top: 0 in
Bleed Bottom: 0 in
Bleed Left: 0 in
Bleed Right: 0 in
Include Slug Area: Off

Output
Color Conversion: Convert to Destination (Preserve Numbers)
Destination: Document CMYK - U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2
Profile Inclusion Policy: Don't Include Profiles

Simulate Overprint: N/A
Output Intent Profile Name: N/A
Output Condition: N/A
Output Condition Identifier: N/A
Registry Name: N/A

Advanced
Subset Fonts Below: 100%
Omit PDF: Off
Omit EPS: Off
Omit Bitmap Images: Off
Transparency Flattener Preset: N/A
Ignore Spread Overrides: N/A
Display Title: File Name
Language: English: USA

Security
N/A

Warnings

It's possible that the problem is that the PC was set to color conversion while the Mac was set to no color converion.

-C

[rob day]

The Color Conversion setting would not convert a Spot color to process, normally you have to make a spot to process conversion via the swatch itself or Ink Manger. Are you checking the files in AcrobatPro?

[Case0535]

I agree that it's not supposed to, but we did do a test and what do you know, that was what did it. I unchecked the color conversion button and the PDF file saved with the color remining as 'BOOK'.

Not sure what it would do that, but it did.

-C

[rob day]

You could try checking Use Standard Lab values, but that shouldn’t matter.

[Case0535]

I'll do a test and check that out-