CS5.5: paragraph not able to get closer to object

Explorer ,
Sep 10, 2020

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Hi

 

I have a weird problem where I have a heading paragraph following a box (which is not part of the text flow) and I can't get the paragraph any nearer to the box - it's currently >5mm away. The box has no text wrap on the bottom. When I add text wrap to the bottom of the preceding box the paragraph below doesn't move, until I get to a particular amount of text wrap (6mm) and then suddenly the paragraph jumps down. It's like the text has to move down one whole line rather than just however much the text wrap amount is, but the paragraph is not aligned to any grid. Also the text box has no vertical justification - it's set to "Align top". Can anyone suggest what the issue is?

 

I need to move the paragraph nearer the box above it and I just can't  get it to! There is no 'Space Before' on the para in question.

 

Many thanks,

Iain

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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"the paragraph is not aligned to any grid"

 

Your description of the behavior:

 

"It's like the text has to move down one whole line"

 

Sure sounds like 'Align to Baseline Grid'. Have you double-checked that?

 

 

 

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Explorer ,
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Thanks for your reply. That's the first thing I checked - the para style is definitely not aligned to any grid. In fact I selected the whole story and none of the text was aligned to the grid, accordingtothe icon in the bar.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Align to baseline grid might be applied directly or via the paragraph style.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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I also think that your description matches the use of a baseline grid.

 

To take this off the table, choose View > Grids and Guides and Show the Baseline Grid. Zoom in until the horizontal blue lines are visible. Are the baselines lining up with the blue lines?

 

~Barb

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Hi Iain,

hm… "Align to Baseline Grid":

Could be enabled for the first line in a paragraph only ( that's an option ).

Could be the baseline grid of the document or the baseline grid that is defined for a single text frame ( see details in the text frame options ).

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

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Explorer ,
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Thanks Barb and Uwe - I'll double-check that when I get into work in the morining but I'm pretty sure it is not that. I have seen that problem before so have already checked for it. But would love to be proved wrong!

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Keep us posted, Iain. We'll be able to help you figure it out, whatever it is.

 

~Barb 

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Explorer ,
Sep 11, 2020

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Thanks all. I did as Barb suggested - turned the Baseline Grid on in the View settings and the paragraph in question (none of them in fact) are aligning to it. Ditto the document grid. As per Uwe's suggestion I checked the text frame's properties and the Basline Grid options are turned off/unticked.

 

I have uploaded some images to demonstrate what's happening - the box above having 0mm text wrap, the box with 6mm text wrap (no change) and then the box with 7mm text wrap (big jump).

 

It's hurting my head!

 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Hi Iain: 

 

I'm sorry about your head.

 

Are you comfortable sharing the file (or just that page)? You could put it on dropbox and post a link here (public) or you could message me the link (private).

 

~Barb 

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I'll survive!

 

Thanks for the kind offer Barb - it's for client so I'll PM you a link if that's okay. Thank you.

 

 

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Hi Iain:

 

I'm retracting my original explanation. 

 

~Barb

 

 

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Thank you so much for looking at my problem Barb - greatly appreciated. However I am not seeing what you are describing. If I delete the image the caption (which is a separate, freestanding box) does not move. I tried saving as an IDML file (a tactic we do use for janky files) but that did not help. But, in playing around with the files over and over I think I see how to fix my immediate problem although I do still have a query as to why ID is behaving as it is.

 

I fixed the problem by decreasing the leading on the heading paragraph - as I decrease the leading the line moves up nearer the box above it, which is what I wanted. If we only ever have single line headings we are good to go! Embarassed I didn't try that earlier. I did check the return at the end of the line wasn't a different size.

 

Something I still don't understand though is what makes the line jump when I add text wrap to the bottom of the box above it, as shown in my images above. I can reproduce this in a blank document, in CS5, 5,5 and 6. See dummy document - https://www.dropbox.com/s/pv9h08vvf199ub9/test.indd?dl=0. If I increase the text wrap on the bottom of the object (picture and caption grouped) the heading below doesn't move until I get to 6mm and then it jumps. I would expect it to move 1mm at a time. 

 

Thanks to anyone still reading!

Iain 

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Hi Iain:

 

A better workaround than drastically reducing the leading is to use a negative bottom text wrap offset value so that you can have multi-line heads. 

 

That said, I'm now recognizing that all. my text frames are showing footnote overrides, even in a new file. I will take another look.

 

~Barb 

 

 

 

 

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Explorer ,
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Hi Barb

 

That's a good idea - hadn't ever used negative text wrap before - thanks. However I'm stuck with the same issue where the heading underneath the object with text wrap (negative or positive) doesn't move in increments as expected but doesn't move at all and then suddenly jumps when you get over a certain amount.

 

Anyone got any thoughts on that issue?

 

thanks,

Iain

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One thing we have noticed is that (in my sample document and the live one for our client) if we change the main text box to be aligned to the bottom rather than the top and then start applying space above the heading paragraph, after applying 2 or 3mm of space it does move the paragraph closer to the object above, which is what we are trying to achieve. Don't know if that is helpful. We can use that as a work-around but I'm quite keen to find out what ID is not behaving as I would expect.

 

Iain

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