Font outline issue

New Here ,
Jan 29, 2020 Jan 29, 2020

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Hi i have problem outlining fonts in Indesign. 

This is how font should look like :right.png

This is how font looks like when i use InDesign’s transparency flattener method:

 

txtoutlines2.png

This is what happens:

wrong.jpg

If you can see the rounded parts of the font are now sharpened and cropped. 

My question is why is that happening?

 

I cant use outline method by CTRL+SHIFT+O, because i have 40 pages document so i cant outline every page by one.

 

Thank you

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jan 29, 2020 Jan 29, 2020

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Hi,

Can you confirm the version of the software you use and the operating system you are running?

Also, can you include a screenshot of the Strokes panel with all options visible? it looks like some corner 'effect' is applied.

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New Here ,
Jan 29, 2020 Jan 29, 2020

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Its font so there is not any strokes options applied. This is how it looks in my Indesign i havent changed anything since.

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I have Windows 10 Pro and Indesign version 15.0,1, 64 bit

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Most Valuable Participant ,
Jan 29, 2020 Jan 29, 2020

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Why are you doing this? There is no legitimate reason for it beyond doing so for simple artistic effects. A 40 page document? Never!

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New Here ,
Jan 29, 2020 Jan 29, 2020

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I need to export PDF for print with outlined fonts, thats why.

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Most Valuable Participant ,
Jan 29, 2020 Jan 29, 2020

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No...you need to find a new printer!

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New Here ,
Mar 12, 2021 Mar 12, 2021

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Just outline the fonts in Acrobat after you have created the PDF. It causes far less problems.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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But WHY are you doing this anyway?? There is no need, and if so, do it in Acrobat Pro. But again, why? I can't think of any reason to outline 40 pages, or even 1...!

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We are sending it to China for printing, its manual for products we ship here so they need it outlined, its required.

Also when i outline it in Acrobat it makes the same issue.

Thank you

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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But will they actually reject the job? As long as the font doesn’t have a copyright restriction it will be embedded with the PDF. You can doublecheck the font embedding via Document Properties>Fonts

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Most Valuable Participant ,
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You get what you pay for.

 

You'll never get this to look great doing this and you're going to blow up the file size in the process.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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When you convert text to outlines you loose the font’s builtin hinting which is used for display or printing at low resolutions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_hinting

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Despite how it seems, transparency flattener is NOT a tool for converting text to outlines. Choosing "Convert all text to outlines" is not a way of converting all text to outlines. Only text that needs to be converted to make transparency flattening work will be converted. 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
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Don't outline fonts through InDesign.

 

Outline the fonts in the PDF using the PDF Preflight Tools

 

Screen Shot 2020-01-29 at 16.47.02.png

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New Here ,
Jan 30, 2020 Jan 30, 2020

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Thank you sir, this finally helped

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I think it’s worth keeping the outlining "requirement" in perspective. It’s a hangover from pre-PDF (1990s) workflows where missing fonts in a packaged job created huge headaches and costs—many printers have never updated their guides. I would be surprised if your PDF gets rejected if it contains embedded fonts. If there's no proof before going to press, then maybe you would not want to risk some unknown problem with embedded fonts, but then outlining could also produce some unexpected result.

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Jan 30, 2020 Jan 30, 2020

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Unless they open the PDFs in Illustrator.

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Mar 12, 2021 Mar 12, 2021

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"You can also do it through PDF Transparency flattener without using the preflight. " As has been already discussed, this only flattens text if it is needed for transparency flattening. It's not made to outline all text. If it works reliably for you that's great, but you're lucky, and it can't be recommended.

 

However, the original poster didn't like the fonts when they were outlined in ANY method (InDesign or Acrobat). The problem is, they wanted the impossible: outlining with no loss of quality.

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Mar 12, 2021 Mar 12, 2021

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You can also do it through PDF Transparency flattener without using the preflight. I have used this method for printers that have needed outlined fonts and has worked without any problems.

Screenshot 2021-03-12 at 09.23.45.png

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