How to left indent a 3 columns splitted text maintaining gutters?

[palala fog]

The idea is indent a 3 column text that belongs to a frame.

For the moment the text is splitted in 3 columns.

Trying a table offers a problem as it is not possible to use columns in cells?

[SJRiegel]

I don't think I understand the question. If your gutters are defined by your margin guides and layout adjustment is enabled, you should be fine.

[Eric Dumas]

Hi,

Do you mean you are trying to create a text frame with 3 columns, but the first column only has a large left indent?

Can you confirm the version of the software and the operating system you are using.

[palala fog]

Hi, yes, exactly.

Same column width must be preserved but the whole thing indented by the left.

If the left indents is increased the 3 columns adopt the new measure. 

Thanks.

Mac Catalina 10.15.1

Indesign 2020 / 15.0.1

[Laubender]

I see no option to do this with one text frame other than to move the headlines to a table cell.

Just like that:

The trick:

1. Set the paragraph with the table to span all columns.

2. Align the paragraph with the table to Align Right.

3. Increase the width of the table and it will expand out of the text frame on the left edge.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

[Laubender]

Of course an anchored text frame containing both headlines would do the same.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

[palala fog]

Uber, thanks, you resolved the thing.

But... sorry, could't understand the procedure.

The steps...

We created a table for the two heading and later pasted the 3 column splitted text frame but the result is very poor compared with your solution... control of text is difficult.

[Laubender]

A table basically is a special character that can live in its own paragraph.

See the paragraph return after the table. Select this and do the formatting for paragraphs.

Right aligned and span text frame columns.

You could do a one cell table or a table with one column and two cells if you like.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

[palala fog]

We cannot replicate your solution. It shows a single table...

Please, Uber, could you please explain again the steps.

Also, is just 1 table + return + text frame?

Or 1 table for the whole thing?

Your drawing shows an extension of the table with 3 columns perfectly defined with the vertical lines.

In our case the ttext was splitted insted of spanned as you suggested.

Also, the rigth align is not for text... 

Sorry for your time and thanks,

[Scott Falkner]

Why not just add inset to the left of the text frame, as in this example?

[Laubender]

Hi Scott,

thanks for this, then I'd suggest to combine your solution with my table so that the text in the table cell is better to reach and to edit. Below the structure of applied paragraph styles:

Here the IDML file to download from my Dropbox account:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/26rjdd2tag71zun/TableSolution-StandOutText-ThreeColumnTextFrame-2020.idml?...

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

[Scott Falkner]

I wasn't thinking about including the header text, which is obvious now that I look at it. Otherwise why require the indent.

Perhaps a split column with added Outside Gutter. Here I used half an inch. Yes, that also adds half an inch on the right side of the text frame. Solution: Make the test frame half an inch wider.

[Laubender]

Hi Scott,

ah. A new variant. Thanks for that!

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

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[palala fog]

Yes, we have two solutions.

Perhaps the Scott procedure is fastest as it avoids to combine table and text.

Unfortunately, his solution shows problems:

a) adds a gutter space to the right (this is the default: gutter is the same for both sides and cannot be modified) and the frame extends outside the layout margins;

b) the new frame cannot be inserted in the flow of text (otherwise the right white space –right gutter– will occupy too much space).

APS

[nigelfrench]

This is possible using Span Columns.
Set up your text frame to have 10 columns. The headline will span all columns, the body text span 3 columns. The trick is to have an empty paragraph in column 1 that is set to span a single column and for the first paragraph of the body text to have a Keep option that makes it start in the next column. 
The diagram hopefully makes it clearer…

[Laubender]

Hi Nigel,

a very cool solution! Thanks for that.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )