InDesign 2018, MacOs 10.15 and new Macs

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May 30, 2020

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My clients insist on using 2018 for various reasons and software compatibility with DAMs etc. I currently have a 2016 MacBook Pro, with a Catalina container and a Mojave container for dual booting.

 

Now here's the problem. If my Mac decides to give up the ghost, travel to the electronic graveyard, how can I continue to use InDesign 2018. Buying a new 2020 MacBook Pro means that Mac OS 10.15 is the default OS and that will not run InDesign 2018. Saving an INDD from 2020 to an IDML would be the answer, but it reflows and Master page items shift. 

 

Are there any suggestions? Could the InDesign programming team recompile so that InDesign 2018 is 64 bit happy? 

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Most Valuable Participant ,
May 30, 2020

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No they won’t do that. (Catalina rejects old apps, even the 64 bit ones; the 64 bit rule is just part of the story). Adobe and Apple only move forward even when your clients and collaborators don’t want to. This is a problem. You can try these options

  • Get an old Mac instead
  • get an old Mac too. 
  • Run a virtual machine, like with Parallels desktop. 

Be sure to get and keep old installers for both macOS and Indesign whenever you can, they are hard or impossible to get later. 

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 12, 2020

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Hi there, 

 

I hope your issue has been resolved. But if the issue still persists, please let us know so that we can assist you.

 

If any of the above-mentioned solutions have worked for you, kindly mark the answer correct. 

 

Regards,

Sheena

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Jun 15, 2020

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Still on-going.

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New Here ,
Nov 02, 2020

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Hi,

I have such a hard time understanding why CC2018 won't run on MacOS 10.15.X.
I downloaded the installer for Adobe InDesign CC 2018 (13.1.0.75) and ran it on Catalina 10.15.7 and it installed, and if I use Adobe Provisioning Toolkit Enterprise Edition and start a trial period with the following command:

./adobe_prtk --tool=StartTrial --leid="V7{}InDesign-13-Mac-GM"

It works just fine for 7 days. The only problem is that it's not licensed through Creative Cloud, and therefore stops working when the trial period is over.

 

So there doesn't seem to be a problem with the actual InDesign CC2018 and Catalina, just the licensing.

 

I have the exact same problem as the thread starter, with the only difference that I already got a new 2019 MBP that won't run Mojave.

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Most Valuable Participant ,
Nov 02, 2020

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What? There is no way that 2019 MacBook Pro won't run Mojave.

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Nov 02, 2020

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"Apple has released a new 16" MacBook Pro on 13 November 2019. It replaces the 15" MacBook Pro lineup. The new 16" MacBook Pro comes pre-installed with macOS Catalina 10.15.1 and cannot be downgraded to run macOS Mojave, or earlier releases of macOS."

 

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/373535/can-i-downgrade-to-macos-mojave-if-i-buy-the-new-20... 

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Most Valuable Participant ,
Nov 02, 2020

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You're right...sorry, I was thinking about Big Sur.

Apple has never allowed going back to an earlier O/S than the one it came with.

That said, the only versions of InDesign that Adobe is allowing are 2020 and 2021 keeping with their current version and one earlier. There's nothing much you can do about it.

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Most Valuable Participant ,
Nov 02, 2020

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"I have such a hard time understanding why CC2018 won't run on MacOS 10.15.X." Because Apple decided it would be so. This isn't actually about 32-bit or 64-bit. They block all old apps that aren't "notarized", a process first invented in 2018. Yes, some apps limp along for a bit, but they can't be reinstalled.

 

So Apple scrapped all the old apps, a deliberate decision to make all old apps obsolete. They do this regularly, but we recently had quite a long run (since 10.7), so everyone forgot that was Apple's normal way of working. They have announced they will do it again in a couple of years as part of their "Apple Silicon" plan.

 

I'm not saying Adobe are unhappy, that people have to upgrade. But they didn't make the plan.

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Nov 02, 2020

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InDesign 2018 a a 64-bit app. The 2018 Creative Cloud installer is a 32-bit app. 

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New Here ,
Nov 02, 2020

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I don't have a problem in general with things not working due to updates. That is just part of progress.

My problem here is that InDesign CC2018 works just fine in Catalina. It's only the licensing that doesn't work. And I think Adobe should be able to resolve that.

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Nov 02, 2020

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It does work. I'm using it. 

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Most Valuable Participant ,
Nov 02, 2020

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2018 is now an unsupported application. Adobe isn't going to do anything about it.

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Nov 02, 2020

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I think we all understand that 2018 is unsupported. The problem here and has been for a while is clients using legacy software. It took one client 3-4 years to move to CC18 because of the subscription model. They only update the OS when security support is no longer available. They won't sanction updates because of the antiquated DAM that they have. Another insists on 2018 because that's what they use.  

 

If Creative Cloud behaved like Office and updated the apps rather than brand new installs then I think it would be a lot easier for everyone. 

 

Until then, if you have to use 18, the only way really is to create a APFS container, install Mojave and run from there.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 13, 2020

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Software development can only guarantee operation in the environment at the time of announcement.
When the platform changes and the compatibility becomes incompatible, it is an external factor and the software cannot support it.
Adobe tries to resolve compatibility with new versions every year.

 

In this case, Apple has lost compatibility.
Therefore, when considering compatibility, there is no choice but to avoid using Apple's OS.

 

If you are using Creative Cloud for corporate version, you can get the old version from Admin Console.

However, the assumption of the operating OS does not change.

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Jun 15, 2020

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Adobe provides a 32-bit version of their software for Windows 10.

Adobe provides a 64-bit version of their software for Windows 10.

Adobe provides a 64-bit version of their software for MacOS. Adobe included 32-bit code in the 64-bit installer. 

 

Suggesting to avoid MacOS is a cop out. Designers like myself have invested £000s, $000s in Adobe software over the years, and we have invested £000s, $000s in hardware. Yet because we use Apple we are now treated as second class customers.

 

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I have to remain on 2018 due to additonal plugins for DAMs etc. 

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Jun 15, 2020

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New versions of InDesign on Windows are 64 bit only! I suggest that instead of ranking on Adobe, Apple or Microsoft you speak to the plugin developers.

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Hi Bob,

 

I don't want to use InDesign 2018. I'd rather use 2020, afteral I am paying for the latest releases, I agree it's plugin developers and IT departments that are causing the problem. I just feel that if there was a 64-bit installer for 2018 it would be a lot easier. Anyway. I'm going to use in a VM for now. 

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 15, 2020

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Hi assause,

switching operating systems is no practical option as well.

If you buy a Windows 10 computer you cannot install InDesign CC 2018 from the Adobe Creative Cloud Desktop App.

It's not offered anymore. The one chance you have then is to download the InDesign CC 2018 installer from:

 

Adobe CC 2018 Direct Download Links: Creative Cloud 2018 Release

https://prodesigntools.com/adobe-cc-2018-direct-download-links.html

 

The issue with this approach: The installer will install the very first version of InDesign CC 2018: 13.0.0.0.

There is no bug fix version available for download. So you have no chance to install the latest bug fix version 13.1.1.110.

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 15, 2020

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Hi iditthat,

what's your exact version of InDesign CC 2018 you have to use or you are currently using?

To find the exact version number, hold the Cmd key and then open "About InDesign".

As I already said, the installer for the base version 13.0.0.0 of InDesign CC 2018 can be downloaded from:

 

Adobe CC 2018 Direct Download Links: Creative Cloud 2018 Release

https://prodesigntools.com/adobe-cc-2018-direct-download-links.html

 

Also the Mac OS X dmg installer.

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

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InDesign 13.0

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 15, 2020

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Hi iditthat,

seems that you have not installed the latest bug fix version of InDesign CC 2018.

See into this for details regarding version 13.1.1:

https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/release-note/indesign-cc-june-2019-13-1-1-release-notes.html

 

I hope you have access to version 13.1.1 from your CC Desktop App.

If not: I have no idea where one can get an installer for InDesign 13.1.1.

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

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Jun 22, 2020

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Ok, so a quirk of APFS, I managed to get InDesign 2018 running on Catalina. 

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How did you manage to do this? I am having the same problem. halp! Been backreading too and downloaded the link for indd 2018, I  still can't install it. A prompter says I need to contact the developer of the app.

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It is not supposed to work, so Adobe certainly can't and won't try to help you. If you need to run old versions you MUST keep old systems.

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