Text wont flow into grid after chapter head (newbie)

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Hi. This is driving me nuts.

 

I have a baseline grid aligned to my margins. Body text has 14 pt leading. Grid is 14 pts. Frame depth is an exact multiple of the leading and grid.

 

On my first chapter start, everything is fine. On subsequent chapter starts, the text refuses to flow into the bottom line of the frame.

  • All elements of the header have spacings (lead, space before/after) that are multiples of 14pts.
  • There is a top rule in the chapter number to displace the text down the page. This is 154 pts (14x11) keep in frame. Changing this doesnt solve the problem.
  • Changing the header styles between align to grid and align first line only doesnt solve the problem.

 

Here is a pic of the first chapter start, which is fine.

https://gyazo.com/ea91588318ef9b0599f294dffb6a0f3f

 

Here is the next one, which is not.

https://gyazo.com/132bf7d5b6dfcdd5b4770e79f0c77a1f

 

 

Help!

Chris.

 

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Adobe Community Professional , Mar 13, 2021 Mar 13, 2021
The frame does not measure 490 pt, but 489,6… Once I have corrected the height, all goes well! The problem is on the right page of your A-master page

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Adobe Community Professional , Mar 13, 2021 Mar 13, 2021
Hi Chris:   Is the frame height slightly different? In the file you sent, the frame height is 489.6. pts. (not divisible by 14).   When I change the frame height to 490 pts (divisible by 14), the line fits.      ~Barb 

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Mar 13, 2021 Mar 13, 2021

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My first guess is that your Keep Options for the body text (paragraph style) is set to two lines and the paragraph end in one line. When this happens, InDesign forces the paragraph to break early to preserve two lines at the top of the next page.

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Explorer ,
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Hi Scott,

 

Thanks for responding.

 

That's a great thought, but sadly the para in question is 5 lines long, and I have no keep options set for the body text (yet).

 

Best Regards, Chris.

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Next guess. Is there a character in that paragraph that has a leading value more than 14 pts?

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Nope. No overrides. Have deleted the whole para on the first page, and the text that replaces it still flows the same way.

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Another thing to check. I notice in your first para example there are no hyphens. In the second there is one "business." Are you limiting consecutive hyphens in some way?

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I have a limit of 2 consecutive hyphens. Not sure how that would affect it. Also, there are no other hyphens in the remainder of the para.

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Would it be possible to see the file (or a part of it?) Or a similar file with lorem ipsum text instead of the actual one, if you don't want to share the text?

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Hi

 

Here's a cut down version with the same issue.

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The frame does not measure 490 pt, but 489,6… Once I have corrected the height, all goes well!

Capture d’écran 2021-03-13 à 19.22.26.jpgCapture d’écran 2021-03-13 à 19.25.36.jpg

The problem is on the right page of your A-master page

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Thank you JM!!

 

But I don't understand how that happenned. My margin box is exactly 490 pts, and I snapped the text frames to the box on the master page.

 

Maybe the snapping grid has very granular resolution?

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Hi Chris:

 

Is the frame height slightly different? In the file you sent, the frame height is 489.6. pts. (not divisible by 14).

1.png

 

When I change the frame height to 490 pts (divisible by 14), the line fits. 

2.png

 

 

~Barb 

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Thank you Barb!

 

See my response to JM. I clearly have to check my frame sizes more carefully.

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We are always happy to help, Chris. 😀

 

~Barb 

 

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